Posted on 12/07/2015 8:09:55 AM PST by nuconvert
The time has come that when people ask, “Where are the Muslim voices?†everyone should be able to say “here they are!â€
There is a buzz on social media today about a new Muslim Reform Movement, and any of you are wondering what this is all about. Here is some background: The Paris terrorism attacks seemed to be the last straw for many Muslims like us who abhor violence in the name of our faith. So we decided to do something about radical Islamist extremism growing by the day and threatening the future of our next generations.
A group of reform-minded Muslims gathered in Washington, D.C. for a brainstorming session. While we were there, the San Bernardino terror attacks took place, and we quickly realized that we have reached the tipping point. This made our work even more urgent.
This initiative was started by Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, an ex-naval officer of the US Navy and now a physician. He invited thinkers, academics, activists and two imams from Copenhagen, London, Ottawa, Toronto, Phoenix, Philadelphia and Portland to gather for a 24-hour summit.
We discussed and debated what we could do to go beyond words and start taking some action.After intense talks for two days, in which we debated terminology, ideas and theology, we came up with a declaration and a course of action.
On Dec. 4, we jointly presented the declaration at a press conference hosted at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.:
(Video at link)
Following the press conference, some of us went to a place founded by the most diabolical country in the world which funds terrorism and is the root of our problems: the Saudi-funded mosque in Washington DC. Here, we posted the first declaration on the door – despite threats and intimidation from the administration.
A few brave men from our group led the way for us as we reclaimed our first space – three women prayed in the main section of the mosque. This is ground breaking not just for all mosques but particularly for this one. We were nearly arrested, but we persevered and left the stamp of the Muslim Reform Movement on their grounds.
The declaration is noted below with names of the signatories. This is a work in progress and our aim is to invite all our friends and neighbors – people of faith and those of no faith – to join our movement, because we can’t do this alone.
The time has come that when people ask, “Where are the Muslim voices?†everyone should be able to say “here they are!â€
(copy of Muslim Reform Movement Declaration at link)
Back atcha
Yeah, I guess I am. I will never believe a word from a follower of the Koran. And your posts will not change my mind. What are you a “Nu” convert to?
“You’re not muslim & neither am I.
So, I’ll leave that for these muslims to decide & work out.”
Andrew McCarthy was the US Attorney who prosecuted the Blind Sheikh for the first World Trade Center bombing.
To prepare for the trial McCarthy went to a number of Islamic leaders to learn what he could about real Islam versus the violent practices of Omar Abdel-Rahman.
To his surprise none of them would condemn the Blind Sheikh on the basis of Islam. They told McCarthy that as far as the teachings of the Koran and Hadith are concerned Omar Abdel-Rahman had done nothing wrong. He had violated American law but not shariah. It would pay to listen to them.
lol. People have been asking that for over 12yrs and it still makes me laugh.
“I wish them great success in their difficult task.”
So do I. As should every person posting here
“nuconvert, the Christian reformation was founded on extra-biblical actions taken by the church, and demanded a return to the biblical basis of theology.
Good point.
A similar Islamic reformation that stripped away any extra-Koranic teachings would get back to massacre, rape, pillage, beheadings and all of the other extreme violence practiced by Mohammed.
In other words, exactly what ISIS is doing.
Obviously, this would be a different type of reformation.
The definition of reform : make changes in (something, typically a social, political, or economic institution or practice) in order to improve it.
“an opportunity to reform and restructure an antiquated schooling model”
to amend or improve by change of form or removal of faults or abuses.
Well it would be a different religion.
One that rejects the Koran, which Islam holds as the actual words of Allah and which cannot be changed in the slightest.
It is the fact that the Koran is the immutable words of Allah that render Islam unreformable. The words are Allah’s, and it is filled with orders to kill infidels and apostates who ignore Allah.
“Well it would be a different religion.”
Then they may have to come up with a different name for it.
How exactly do you think that the very words of Allah can be “improved” by his followers?
But as a good start it couldn't hurt to nuke Mecca.
I’ve known of Dr Jasser for 12 years. I have no doubts about his sincerity.
Trying to keep up his medical practice and fight the good fight has been difficult, but he’s still in the fight and he’s gaining some momentum, despite the MSM refusing to acknowledge his work.
There is no Allah but Satan, and Muhammad was his murdering pedophile.
It’s not for me to say. I’m not muslim or one of his followers. They have to reform their religion themselves.
“But as a good start it couldn’t hurt to nuke Mecca.”
Some people think that vaporizing that black rock that they worship in their pilgrimages would take a big chunk out of Islam
REALLY? You thought a religion of a billion and 1/2 people was going to be reformed in 14yrs?
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Well, let’s trim that down to what we see here in the US. Maybe we should also include another non-Muslim (for now) country like France.
Like I said, the evidence supports Islam being unreformable. 9/11, Boston Marathon, Fort Hood, San Bernadino, Paris, Charlie Hebdo...
Keep them all in Muslim countries and let them beat the hell out of each other. Maybe in a century or two reform can be attempted again.
9. The End Game (Tet, Take Two)
If the traitor elites can imagine sufficiently far into the future, then they must surely see international socialism lining up next for its climactic struggle against Islam, which shall be fought atop the still-warm corpse of European nationalism. Will these traitor-elite international socialists be able to hold the line against the ultimate victory of Islamic supremacism in Europe, or anywhere? Let us compare their assets and armaments.
The traitor elites control vast wealth and many levers of power. But will the ready offer of unlimited wealth and fast-track career promotion outweigh the fear of the Muslim assassin, kidnapper, and beheader? Which motivating force will prove stronger in the long run, the proffered bribe, or the kidnapped child and her threatened decapitation? International socialism and world Islamism are both evil totalitarian ideologies rooted in a quest for absolute power, but I believe that more socialists will convert to Islam than the other way around, tending to tip the final outcome in that direction. Why? Because you can live without accepting a suitcase full of Euros or a juicy job offer as a bribe. But you cannot live with your head removed from your shoulders.
Another enduring but rarely examined weapon in the Islamic conquest armory is the offer of amnesty to well-placed infidel leaders who agree to convert to Mohammedism. Can I see Angela Merkel wearing a hijab? Yes, certainly. Whether the badge she wears on her suit is red or black won’t matter to the former Communist, not if it is a matter of saving her neck while retaining her status. Study the history of Islamic conquest, and you will find numerous cases where Western leaders announced — after clandestinely opening the city gates to hijra invasion — that they had already converted to Islam.
As reward for this valuable service, well-placed defectors to Islam are often allowed to preserve their wealth and positions by taking fresh Muslim names and swearing fealty to the new Islamic regime. It’s intentionally made very easy to convert to Islam. The shahada conversion prayer is only a sentence, a handful of words. Sincere inner belief is not required, only publicly outward submission, which is the true (and nearly always obscured) meaning of the Arabic word Islam. Submission.
So when it comes to last-stand defenses, and head chopping time draws near, will the secular humanist international socialists fight to their last breath against Islamism? Not likely, not when simply repeating a silly and trite incantation about Allah and Mohammed can save their inherently dishonorable and traitorous lives. Simply stated, they will submit to Islam.
I think that in the end, Mohammed’s evil and satanic Koranic blueprint for world conquest will prove to be even more virulent and persistent than the evil and satanic blueprint of the international socialists, going back through the Jacobins, Marxists and Communists. The unchanging Koranic blueprint for global domination is still replicating and advancing after fourteen centuries, while the international socialist blueprint is only two and a half centuries old. Based on proven longevity alone, a betting man would have to favor the Islamic formulation for conquest and tyranny over the international socialist version.
And in the event that Islam either destroys or co-opts international socialism, I would expect the strife to continue until only Sunni or Shia Muslims are left alive. Then there would arise schisms and conflicts among new competing sects, because of the innately violent instructions central to the Koranic blueprint. But without an external host for the parasitic Islamic ringworm to feed upon, (having killed and consumed the golden goose of productive Western society), Islam itself will most likely fester and decay. What would succeed a failed global Caliphate, I can’t imagine. By that time, the last believing and practicing Christians in Europe will be lying cold and forgotten in their unmarked mass graves.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/
“”He has spoken out countless times against Obama and the people he surrounds himself with.””
I know that - I’ve seen him numerous times and trusted him to be speaking the truth. My thought was why did it take him so long to rally others to support him - to organize. We’ve been waiting for something like this since 9/11......
10. Alternative Endings
But perhaps the conflict between the three major forces will turn out differently. Perhaps, after the Islamic Tet Offensive of 2016 is turned back, European nationalism will experience a miraculous resurgence, following a rejection of the international socialism which dragged the EU nations toward disaster. Sometimes invading forces badly miscalculate their chances and underestimate the resolve of their enemies, and after sweeping to early success, they are rolled far back from their high-water marks. Napoleon and Hitler in Russia, and the Greek experience in Anatolian Turkey from 1919 to 1922 come readily to mind.
Or perhaps the Islamists will take their jihad a step too far, and a nuclear device or other WMD set off in a Western city might finally provoke a commensurate counter-strike against the nexus of Islam in Mecca and other Muslim holy sites, such as Karbala in Iraq. Certainly Vladimir Putin can be expected to evince more steely-eyed resolve than the current crop of effete and dithering Western European leaders.
Two of the Five Pillars of Islam literally revolve around the black moon rock set into the corner of the Kaaba in the center of Mecca. After 1,400 unchanging years, Islam cannot simply erase two of its five pillars and continue with business as usual. Allahu Akbar means our god is greater. If Mecca were turned into a vast, glowing crater, this would be visibly untrue. When the Aztec and Inca man-gods were visibly thrown down by the Spanish conquistadors, those religions and social systems collapsed. If Mecca were to be destroyed, eliminating two of the five pillars, it’s an open question as to what would happen in and to the worldwide Muslim community. “We used to think our god was greater†won’t be an effective rallying cry. But I don’t suppose I’ll be around to see how this all plays out. For 1,400 years, uncounted millions of Christians and other infidels have died not knowing if Islam would ultimately prevail or be vanquished.
I’m not sure if there is a future ahead for sovereign nation-states as they have been constituted for the past four centuries, especially nations with their own unique histories, cultures and languages. I don’t know if the wealth and influence of the traitor-elite international socialists can overcome the constant threat of terrorism contained within the deadly Koranic conquest plan. And when it comes to how the approaching European storm will affect China and Asia, my crystal ball is cloudy on the other side. It’s hard to imagine a world war extending from Scandinavia to the Persian Gulf not going nuclear at some point. Perhaps the patient and cautious Chinese will simply inherit the ruins of the West. Perhaps they will be drawn into the world war.
No matter what else happens over the coming decade, 2016 is shaping up to be an epic year in European and world history. I hope that whatever develops across the Atlantic might at least provide clear lessons that will be valuable for the defense of a free and sovereign United States of America. Including lessons about the extreme danger of importing millions of Islamic muhajirun.
And lastly, thank God — through our Founding Fathers — for the First and Second Amendments to the United States Constitution. Unlike the Europeans, we are at least still free to warn one another of impending dangers, without our being silenced by the traitor elites who operate the levers of state power. And because of the Second Amendment, we will never be pulled down to the ground like helpless lambs by the Islamist hyenas and socialist jackals. When one-too-many ravenous foxes are placed into the henhouse by socialist traitors, in due time both the foxes and the traitors might just get a face full of buckshot.
Just remember: never, ever give up your guns.
You’re going to need them.
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