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Can guns mix with civil rights?
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 29 nov 2015 | Matt Welch

Posted on 11/29/2015 6:11:31 AM PST by rellimpank

When media outlets from the National Journal to Rolling Stone cover the bipartisan push for criminal justice reform — an effort that includes everyone from Rand Paul to Cory Booker, the Koch brothers to even the ACLU — their go-to phrase to characterize the movement is "unlikely coalition." Actually, there's nothing particularly surprising about the fact that civil libertarians come in more than one flavor or political party. Disagreement on, say, taxation doesn't necessitate disagreement on mass incarceration.

Meanwhile, the media have treated the budding partnership between the ascendant Black Lives Matter and the perennially frustrated gun control movement as if it were the most natural thing in the world — probably because both efforts lean left. That alliance, however, is truly unlikely, even nonsensical. Historically, civil rights and gun control have been at odds. The blunt fact is that one side seeks to rein in law enforcement, while the other wishes to give it more power.

"Why isn't gun control part of the Black Lives Matter platform?" lamented The Boston Globe's Farah Stockman in September. As if in answer to her prayers, Politico reported last month that "groups aligned with Black Lives Matter have started taking part in weekly conference calls with Washington's top gun control advocates." One of the main sources in the Politico story, National Urban League President Marc Morial, is an advisory board member of the Michael Bloomberg-run advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety. The gun control movement, Morial said in a much-forwarded quote, "is too white."

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1 posted on 11/29/2015 6:11:31 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
Very bad grammatical composition

Guns don't MIX with ANYthing

Guns PROTECT EVERYthing

2 posted on 11/29/2015 6:12:34 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: rellimpank

-—wrong link here’s the correct one—

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/can-guns-mix-with-civil-rights-b99622851z1-357154511.html


3 posted on 11/29/2015 6:13:56 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

Heck yes.

America is the freest country in the history of the entire world. Ever.

We have always had the freedom to own firearms.

This is not the question. The real question is why are so many opposed to the right to keep and bear arms.

They are the ones, to be concerned about.


4 posted on 11/29/2015 6:14:26 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html)
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To: rellimpank

The right to bear arms is a civil right

Quite possibly - the most important civil right


5 posted on 11/29/2015 6:14:50 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: knarf

Exactly! The civil right to bear arms helps guarantee that one can retain, or if need be, reclaim all of one’s other civil rights.


6 posted on 11/29/2015 6:15:40 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Cruz or Lose 2016)
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7 posted on 11/29/2015 6:25:59 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: knarf
Guns PROTECT EVERYthing

First and foremost, they protect Civil Rights.

8 posted on 11/29/2015 6:30:27 AM PST by o_1_2_3__
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To: rellimpank
I have a T-shirt from Kenn Blanchard that depicts a Black man with a gun. Gun rights are civil rights.
9 posted on 11/29/2015 6:35:06 AM PST by real saxophonist (YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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To: rellimpank

Dred Scott vs Sanford.
What the SCOTUS thought about gun control in the pre Civil War era.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0060_0393_ZO.html

“It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union,

the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction,

to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished;

and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs,

and to KEEP AND CARRY ARMS wherever they went.”

***
But NOW the Libs want a return to the SLAVE and BLACK codes in which a Black man could NOT even touch a firearm.


10 posted on 11/29/2015 6:40:38 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: rellimpank

Guns and the Second Amendment are the ultimate check and balance of our Constitution rights. Unfortunately 0 “Abrogated” the Bill of Rights December 31, 2012.


11 posted on 11/29/2015 6:41:16 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

Explain, please. Real question.


12 posted on 11/29/2015 6:43:31 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: knarf

Not true. Not true at all. My guns mix very well with my ammo. So well that I was thinking of having a marriage ceremony for them. But, the guns keep getting rid of the ammo so that wouldn’t work out at all.


13 posted on 11/29/2015 6:48:23 AM PST by Purdue77 ("... shall not be infringed.l")
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To: rellimpank

Interesting. In the past several days I’ve seen a new set of messaging show up on social media.

That if every Black male 18-35 legally bought a gun and joined the NRA, there’d be gun control inside of a week.

I don’t buy that premise at all. In fact wasn’t there that pro-2A group that invited armed Blacks to take part in it’s open carry march last Summer.

What does concern me is the idea that the Left could see mass registration as NRA members as an infiltration tactic to destroy the NRA from within.


14 posted on 11/29/2015 6:50:18 AM PST by tanknetter
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“every Black male 18-35” is approximately 3% of the US population. Current NRA membership in total is about 1.5% of the US population. I do not trust current statistics on gun ownership personally - I know I would never tell a pollster if I owned a firearm. None of their business. The mass media tell us that gun ownership is declining as a fraction of the population. My club’s membership has doubled in the last 10 years. I know how I interpret that.


15 posted on 11/29/2015 7:00:16 AM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: mountainlion
I would also like a real answer to the question about 'abrogation'

/johnny

16 posted on 11/29/2015 7:03:36 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: tanknetter

—agree—if every black male legally qualified to own a gun had one and used it legally to protect the neighborhood in which he lived , the criminals would have to “toe the line” or die——


17 posted on 11/29/2015 7:08:57 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: JRandomFreeper

https://theoldspeakjournal.wordpress.com/tag/abrogation-of-the-bill-of-rights/

Search did not find the best article but here is one.


18 posted on 11/29/2015 7:38:54 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: RKV
"I would never tell a pollster if I owned a firearm. None of their business.

Yeah. I might tell a pollster I own a firearm right after I give my credit card number to the guy with the Indian accent who called from a non-existent area code at 6:01 AM on Thanksgiving and wanted to fix my computer.

How many people actually own guns?

If you thought a fire extinguisher and a smoke alarm made your home safer, what are the chances that you would own one? My guess is that it would be pretty close to 100%. (Based on Gallup, my guess is that at least 63% to 69% of US households own guns now.)


19 posted on 11/29/2015 8:21:08 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve." - Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859))
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To: rellimpank

If their “civil rights” overrule my right to keep and bear arms, their “civil rights” are not rights at all.


20 posted on 11/29/2015 8:22:22 AM PST by MortMan (I am offended by those who believe they have a right not to be offended.)
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