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To: Jim from C-Town
Russia doesn’t have to attack.They have the high ground and all Putin has to do is turn the screw,which he is masterfully turning now.

Putin doesn't have the high ground any more than he does in Ukraine, the shooting down of a civilian airliner, or seizing Crimea. Putin had his ambassador in Ankara called in twice in successive days prior to the shoot down warning against repeated violations of Turkish airspace.

NATO denounces Russian incursion into Turkish airspace

Putin is playing to his domestic audience with his "masterful" response. He is talking and acting tough because it is politically expedient to do so. This will blow over.

There is no way in HELL that France, Germany or any other NATO ally, particularly bath house Barry is going into a hot war with Russia over Turkey. No Way In HELL!

There is No Way In HELL! a hot war is going to result. Neither side wants it. Not going to happen.

Turkey has lots more to lose in this than Russia including a hasty forced exit from NATO.They can also kiss goodbye any chance of ever getting into the EU, A desire they have had for decades.

Turkey will remain in NATO. There was no way Turkey was ever going to get into the EU. Anyone who knows anything about their application knows that the EU will never admit Muslim Turkey into the EU. The latest wave of Muslim migrants into Europe killed any infinitesimal chance of Turkey joining the EU.

Turkey will make a formal and public apology and they will eat crow and pay compensation to Russia and the downed pilots family.

Turkey is in the process of returning the dead pilot's body to the Russians. Erdogen has already issued an apology, i.e. he wished it never happened. He will not apologize for defending his airspace. He also has a domestic audience.

Putin, though a scum and thug, is a real man. Obama is Putin’s bitch and they both know it.

You sound like a teenage girl or you have a man-crush on Putin. You can focus on personalities, but national interests are involved. Is Erdogen a "real man"? Here is something that should get your juices going:


39 posted on 11/29/2015 7:00:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar; AndyJackson
Putin has the high ground because he is not a coward like Obama, your boy crush.

NATO will do nothing more than saber rattle, if that, for Turkey. The NATO denouncement meant nothing as it had no teeth. Putin doesn't feel threatened by being called a ‘bad boy’ and having a gnarled finger waived into his face. He can rule Europe through the gas pipe.It is December and getting quite cold in Western Europe.A pipeline problem would make Germany and Europe a very cold place.

Obama could have stopped that by allowing the building of LNG plants that the gas industry has wanted for years, but he doesn't like fracking.Even though it saved his ass and the economy. He could have pushed for a change in the law that would allow for the exportation of more domestic oil products, but he decided not to.

IF there is no chance of a hot war, Putin already won the day and is free to continue on whatever course HE decides.

Boys will be boys until a man puts them in their place.Is your boy toy Obama man enough to even look Putin in the eye, much less do anything? NO!

Turkey may remain in NATO, but Putin has shown that it is a phony vestige of a bygone era. It is like Humpty Dumpty after the fall. Is there really anything NATO does that is effective anyway?

Everything I said would happen is happening exactly the way I said it would happen.NATO has fig leafed Erdagon in front and stabbed him in the back and Putin will get his way.Such is the way of the World when cowards and fools run into a bully.

Obama, Erdagon and the entire lot of Western leadership are infested with cowardice and fear. They are all outright embarrassments to Western Civilization.

Men are men and know how to push around little boy losers like Obama and Erdagon.

Now who smells like roses. An apology from Erdagon, the next will be formal & written. And he will pay restitution to Russia and the pilots family.

The West is falling so fast in line that you may see Obama and Erdagon keeling, figuratively if not literally, in front of Putin.

Putin has decided Turkey has yet too eat enough shit over this and they will eat as much as Putin decides to put on their plate.

Believe it!

The fact is that this incident, along with the last seven years, shows just how important a strong American President is to the safety of the World and its'people. You can't release hollow threats about red lines over and over with no consequences and then expect that foreign powers will show you respect. They will crap on you like Putin is crapping all over the U.S., Turkey and the entire NATO alliance.

If this was high school Putin would be giving Obama and Erdagon swirlies in the men's room toilet while France and the rest of Europe look on hoping they aren't next in line.

This is all due to feckless, arrogant and stupid leadership from Obama and his cadre of harpy bitches & eunuchs that run his inner circle.

Obama had numerous chances to stifle and stymie Putin in his goals for the reconquest of the former Soviet Union. He was simply too cowardly, stupid and feckless to do anything that would have given Putin pause.

Now Putin sees it is open season and the half century drought of Russian influence in the Middle East is over. He has been given a green light to reenter the region all but unopposed and he is doing so through Iran, Syria and head butting anyone that gets in his way.

Now the entire World can see it is open season on territory and power grabs while Obama searches for a legacy in green technology and failing domestic and foreign affairs. Every miscreant from every corner of the globe is on the move against the interests of the United States and Obama worries about Global Climate Disruption.

47 posted on 11/29/2015 8:09:39 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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