Posted on 11/26/2015 11:27:55 AM PST by Kaslin
One of the most memorable moments of the November 10 Republican debate came when Florida Sen. Marco Rubio lamented the collapse of vocational training in America.
"For the life of me, I don't know why we stigmatize vocational education," Rubio said. "Welders make more money than philosophers. We need more welders than philosophers."
As soon as Rubio finished speaking, Twitter nearly exploded with comments praising Rubio's assessment and comments suggesting Rubio is misguided or flat-out lying for suggesting philosophers don't make as much money as welders.
Slate released what has become a widely used chart titled "Sorry, Marco Rubio. Philosophers Make Way More Money Than Welders Do." The chart showed philosophy and religion teachers average a salary of more than $70,000, whereas "Welders, Cutters, Solderers, and Brazers" earned just over $40,000.
Even Dana Perino, a Fox News contributor and the former press secretary for George W. Bush, criticized Rubio (albeit very nicely), saying on Twitter, "I have to say that I am a proponent of philosophy majors Tony Snow majored in philosophy. One of the best thinkers I've ever known."
On the surface, it looks as though Rubio overstated his case about the importance of vocational programs. However, a closer look at the arguments on both sides reveals there's much more to this story than many initially thought.
For starters, Slate and other critics point to the salaries of philosophy professors at post-secondary schools as evidence against Rubio's claim, but Rubio never said "philosophy professors"; he simply said "philosophers." Professors of any subject make, on average, more than welders, but the overwhelming majority of philosophy majors never actually become professors or even attend graduate school.
According to College Board, there are at least 950 colleges that allow students to major in philosophy. If we estimate, quite conservatively, that each of these colleges graduates five students who major in philosophy per year, there would be 4,750 philosophy graduates every year. This means over 10 years, there are (again, conservatively calculated) more than 47,000 philosophy graduates.
There are, however, only 23,000 jobs available for philosophy and religious teachers at post-secondary schools, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Even if we assume 70 percent of those jobs belong to philosophy instructors, rather than religious teachers, the data overwhelmingly suggest there are fewer than 17,000 jobs available for philosophy professors.
Because many professors never leave their jobs, there are likely very few jobs available for the thousands of philosophy majors who graduate each year. According to the HigherEd Jobs website, a popular site for current or aspiring professors seeking work, there are only 130 job postings for philosophy faculty out of the more than 18,000 faculty positions listed on the site.
It's true the median salary for philosophy professors is higher than the median salary for many welders ($63,630 vs. $36,300), but master welders can earn more than $90,000 per year, and the top 10 percent earned a median income of $56,130 in 2012.
Because there are more than 357,000 welding jobs in the United States, the data suggest there are actually more people earning close to $60,000 annually working as welders than as philosophy professors.
Perhaps even more importantly, many welding jobs come with very few training costs. Welding companies often pay to train prospective welders, while professors of philosophy have to attend a four-year college and then graduate school. Because many students incur tens of thousands of dollars, and in many cases more than $100,000, in student loan debt, the argument could easily be made that if an individual wants to earn a good salary, have low levels of debt, and be able to afford purchasing a home sooner rather later, welding is a better option than aiming to become a philosopher.
Contrary to his opponents' claims, Rubio's point was not that college degrees are useless or should be avoided, but rather that young people shouldn't feel college is the only way to obtain success. Instead of discouraging young people from entering fields such as plumbing or welding, Rubio suggests it should be encouraged, because welding and other important skilled labor positions can provide good wages without incurring huge amounts of debt. On that point, there is no disputing Rubio is right on the mark.
That is true, Germany has a apprentice system and apprentice does get paid. They have to work eight hours a day and 4 days. One day they have to attend what is called a Berufs Schule, because the youth are required to attend school until they are 18 years old. Depending on the occupation the apprentice system is between 2 and 4 years. # years is usually the norm. They don’t get paid 1/10 of what a Master mechanic makes and a master mechanic deserves everything he makes, because to make it to master mechanic he has to go through lots of schooling.
Yes he is.
Concurring bump. The article and your response all resonate with a critique Rush Limbaugh once offered, in which he dissected the continuing strong bias toward hiring only the top graduates of elite universities at many businesses, and law and medical practices in particular: They would insist on having the top graduate from Harvard Law, or nobody, and the spread on beginning salary offers reflected that bias. Rush epitomized his critique as "What ever happened to 'Pretty Damn Good'?" This article is another critique of American business's continuing fascination with certain skills and callings, and with credentialism in those vocations.
Business acumen is native and depends on a different sort of learning and intelligence than one sees in graduate schools; we used to call it cunning. But there is no credential for the sort of acumen that made Bill Gates the owner of DOS.
And in fact, if you do choose to be a philosopher you might be a better one if you are also a “welder” - speaking generically - and thus have more independence. Lack of a basic skill to fall back on is bad for anyone.
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