Mother of God ...
This mess will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it ...
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Posted on 11/24/2015 4:12:15 AM PST by Timber Rattler
Two Turkish F-16 fighter jets shot down a Russian warplane near Turkey's border with Syria Tuesday in an incident that raises the possibility of conflict between Moscow and NATO.
A U.S. official confirmed to Fox News that the Russian Sukhoi-24 was downed by an air-to-air missile north of the Syrian port city of Latakia. The official added that the Russian jet was warned three times to depart Turkish airspace.
The official told Fox News that the Su-24's two pilots parachuted safely and were last seen attempting to evade capture. Two Russian helicopters were airborne to attempt a rescue mission.
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Artifact of the Cold War. And Erdogan has been taking them more and more fundamental and further and further away from Ataturk's founding tenets.
Turkey is no ally. They started it, let them finish it.
No, there is no good reason for the Turks to have shot 1st. I think we need to look at just what is going on along the Turkey-Syria border. Just why is ISIS not being economically isolated by closing the borders around it?
How did the pilots end up in Syrian hands if they were shot down over Turkey?
If NATO is half-way smart, they will abandon Turkey immediately. As much as any neighboring nation, Turkey has provided help, logistics and a clandestine trading partnership with the Islamic State, enabling them to expand and have some degree of territorial sanctity.
The present leadership of Turkey WANTS the development of a Caliphate, as part of restoring the old Ottoman Empire, which, until the revolt of “the young Turks” was a theocratic dictatorship, in all respects a caliphate, that was constantly at war with either Russia or Greece, and conducted one of the most massive of genocides against the Christian Armenians, that the world had seen up until that time.
When the revolt of “the young Turks” was over, the remaining parts of the former Ottoman Empire has become a hodgepodge of secular nations, free of the yoke of the theocracy that had dominated the territory since the fall of Byzantium. But this group of secular nations, having no history of rule by parliaments or any elective posts, soon became various suzerainties under the rule of strongmen, that fell prey to colonial conquests by France, England and Russia, countries which had a heyday carving up the land into various artificial territories, without regard to the tribes and nomadic cultures that lived there.
Turkey was once regarded as “the sick old man of Europe”, and by all odds, has suffered a serious relapse of that same sickness.
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The stupidity of it all, and it goes back to Obama's support of the "Arab Spring" in Syria and attempts at ousting Assad.
yes but..... the good part is that what you have described is a situation to be worked out by diplomats and lawyers. We, as Americans, have a battalion of war lawyers trained for just such a dilemma.
With Sec Kerry at the rear carrying the regimental colors, the lawyers will leap into the battle
No argument that I have no interest in dropping a single drop of blood for Turkey, we ARE a NATO ally.
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