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To: C19fan

Jefferson certainly influenced the drafting of the Constitution and if that’s what Carson means then that’s not inaccurate.


5 posted on 11/23/2015 9:56:43 AM PST by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: MeganC

He was in Paris serving as minister to France.


10 posted on 11/23/2015 9:59:00 AM PST by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: MeganC

Jefferson was in Paris at the time, I believe, serving as ambassador.


16 posted on 11/23/2015 10:02:49 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: MeganC
Thomas Jefferson And The Constitution

Michael Benton, Contributor
November 6, 2013

In 1789, after long deliberations and impassioned speeches, the United States Constitution was born. Of the forty signees of the U.S. Constitution, only six of them had also signed the Declaration of Independence. Did Thomas Jefferson sign the Constitution? No, he was serving as Minister to France during the time of the Constitutional Convention. Jefferson returned to the United States only six months after the Constitution took effect and was soon appointed as the Secretary of State in President George Washington’s administration.

Did Thomas Jefferson write the Constitution? No, he was actually a supporter of the smaller government structure originally proposed in the Articles of Confederation and did not want its revision to mean a stronger, more centralized union.

If Thomas Jefferson wrote the Constitution, he would have preferred leaving many of the enumerated powers in the hands of state governments and may have included checks and balances similar to those he envisioned when he drafted the Virginia Constitution.

Without the influence of Thomas Jefferson, Bill of Rights mainstays such as the right to bear arms and religious freedom may not have held up so strongly. Although someone like John Adams might be considered father of the Constitution, Thomas Jefferson would ascend to the presidency on principles that advocated for restraint of federal powers and a return to the the agrarian democracy he envisioned.

The difference between the democratic ideals of Thomas Jefferson and the Constitution created in 1789 were not enough to bar him from calling it the greatest the world had ever seen. Its execution, however, brought him great worry as he was disinclined from trusting a few men with great power over so many others.

While diplomatic service in France drew away Thomas Jefferson, Constitutional Convention delegates met with the intention of revising the Articles of Confederation. With this resolution in mind, it became inevitable that the gentleman who made their way to Philadelphia would be making significant changes. From afar, Thomas Jefferson admired the mission of the delegates who gathered to draft a new Constitution, but his birth as an anti-Federalist in reaction to the strong, nationalist version they produced shows that Jefferson may have been a contentious member of the debate had he been present.

After James Madison proposed the vague but strongly nationalist Virginia Plan, the delegates appointed to the Committee of Detail, headed by John Rutledge, put together a draft that included powerfully federalist language. A number of clauses added to the Constitution were compromises on issues that Jefferson would have cared to influence, including the Necessary & Proper Clause which gave the national government all unenumerated powers, and the Fugitive Slave Clause which required the capture and return of all runaway slaves to their original state.

The three-fifths compromise, which counted African American slaves as part of the population but only to be counted as three-fifths of a citizen, gave the Southern states greater power and was based upon pseudo-economic calculations from an agreement in the Articles of Confederation.

http://aboutthomasjefferson.com/thomas-jefferson-and-the-constitution/234/#sthash.BEwKmKGQ.dpuf

31 posted on 11/23/2015 10:14:18 AM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better and safer America)
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To: MeganC

Jefferson was in France. Certainly, considering the weeks and sometimes months it took to cross the Atlantic, his “crafting” of the Constitution would have been nil. The Declaration of Independence was certainly in the minds of the framers of the Constitution, but any influence Jefferson might have had would have been limited to a few letters....if any.
The Constitutional Convention took place in Philadelphia from May to September of 1787. Not much time for much influence to cross the Atlantic.

Carson is wrong as applies to the Constitution unless one wishes to speak of the Bill of Rights. The Frenchman the Marquis de Lafayette wrote the French Declaration of the Rights of Man, which was signed by Louis XVI in 1787. His friend, Thomas Jefferson acted as his editor and influenced the final right which gave citizens the right to change their government if it became necessary. The American Bill of Rights (First 10 Amendments) was attached to the American Constitution in 1791 upon ratification by the necessary number of states.
Carson was wrong.


36 posted on 11/23/2015 10:24:46 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: MeganC

Madison was a Jefferson protégé so if Carson’s supporters want to try and spin it that way they’re welcome to try. But it’s more likely Dr. Carson confuses the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence. If you asked twenty people on the street about Jefferson and the Constitution you’d probably find only one or two who know that Thomas was the American ambassador in Paris at the time and had nothing at all to do with the Constitution, but we don’t pick presidents off the street. Jefferson almost certainly would have wanted to stick with slightly modifying the Articles of Confederation. This does raise a question about what else Carson doesn’t know about the Constitution or American history. We already know he’s no expert on Egypt.


43 posted on 11/23/2015 10:38:19 AM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: MeganC

Jefferson was in France at the time. Madison and others certainly knew his views and I’m sure corresponded but Carson is wrong.


47 posted on 11/23/2015 10:41:55 AM PST by AFreeBird
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