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‘No happy endings’ between Eastern Christians and Islam, professor says
todayscatholicnews.org ^ | November 17, 2015 | Corine Erlandson

Posted on 11/19/2015 8:27:29 AM PST by Trumpinator

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Where did Turkey's Christian population go?
1 posted on 11/19/2015 8:27:29 AM PST by Trumpinator
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To: Trumpinator

Bad choice of term “happy endings”


2 posted on 11/19/2015 8:31:23 AM PST by Paul46360
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To: Trumpinator

Me thinks the book of Revelations explain it.


3 posted on 11/19/2015 8:32:12 AM PST by Paul46360
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Kemal Ataturk was the great bringer of Turkish secularism. Like later Muslim dictators in the Middle East, he regarded imam-driven political Islam as competition to be crushed. Nasser, both Assads, Saddam, & Gaddafi followed his example.

But Ataturk sowed mass murder among Christians in Asia Minor. He was part of the operation to exterminate Christian Armenians in 1915, and the entire Greek Christian community in the new Turkey was either wiped out or forced to flee.


4 posted on 11/19/2015 8:50:35 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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Google Armenian Massacre


5 posted on 11/19/2015 8:52:09 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Paul46360

Thought that was a Chinese thing.


6 posted on 11/19/2015 8:57:16 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (islam is a totalitarian death cult founded by a child rapist.)
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To: Trumpinator

Much of the remnant that survived, unconverted, under the Ottomans were killed or driven west to Greece before, during, and after WWI (1913-1923). It’s called the Greek or Pontic genocide. The genocide of Armenians in the north on the edge of the Caucasus is more famous. I’ve been to Turkey many times and have encountered a few remaining Jews but, unlike in the Arab countries bordering like Lebanon, Iraq and Syria, I never met a living Christian.


7 posted on 11/19/2015 8:58:47 AM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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Ataturk did not really bring secularism to Turkey but a nationalized Turkish new Islam to go with a nationalized ethnicity. On the face of it it seems better but ironically it was also genocidal because it was based on an exclusive nationalist religious identity.


8 posted on 11/19/2015 8:59:46 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: katana

I think the Greek side of genocide is downplayed because the Greeks could escape and their plight is more like an ethnic cleansing at the hands of the Turks (last one happened in Cyprus in the 1970s - so it is ongoing) but the Armenians had no easy escape to their own country nor could the west come to their aid - especially with the rise of communism in Russia.


9 posted on 11/19/2015 9:02:07 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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A just solution would be to grant all the persecuted Christians in the Moslem world sanctuary in Israel, trading them one for one with Moslems discontented to live in a Jewish state, who can then go and live under a Moslem government.


10 posted on 11/19/2015 9:03:27 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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I don’t think Israel would want that to be honest.


11 posted on 11/19/2015 9:11:08 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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I don’t think Israel would want that to be honest.
    I do
  1. Moslems are killing Jews in Israel now; current threat.
  2. Young Moslem children are taught to hate Israel and the Jews, reason for current and future threat.
  3. Moslems have more wives and children than Jews or Christians; future threat.
  4. Christians can be taught to love Jews, something you would think would be natural; not many Christian terrorists though there are some wolves.

12 posted on 11/19/2015 9:17:20 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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The Jewish state will protect Christians who are natives (and Muslim citizens, also) but I don’t see them opening their small country to Christians who would then change the demographics of Israel even more.


13 posted on 11/19/2015 9:20:02 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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A just solution would be to grant all the persecuted Christians in the Moslem world sanctuary in Israel, trading them one for one with Moslems discontented to live in a Jewish state, who can then go and live under a Moslem government.

Bad idea. Middle Eastern chrstians are more anti-Jewish than the moslems are. Plus diluting the Jewish character of Israel is not something they want, regardless of which group does it.

14 posted on 11/19/2015 9:25:47 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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'No happy endings' between _______ and Islam

Fixed it.

15 posted on 11/19/2015 9:28:17 AM PST by I Hired Craig Livingstone (Keep America Great -- Cruz 2024)
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To: Paul46360
So does Daniel 11 and Daniel 12.
16 posted on 11/19/2015 9:29:23 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Trumpinator

You’re right. And it’s also that the Armenian community here in the USA have done a better job making even the typically-ignorant-of-any-history-American vaguely aware of what happened. The Greek genocide was overshadowed first by the war and then by all the other post war migrations and “adjustments” in borders. But at least on the Greek side, for older people there I’ve met, the hatred still burns very hot.


17 posted on 11/19/2015 9:31:03 AM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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IIRC, Arab Christians hate the Jews just as much as Arab Muslims. Kind of a me too wannabe thing.

Of course, some say that the massacre of Jerusalem in 1099 A.D. when Crusaders captured the city was contracted to local Christians when it came to killing Jews. This was because the Muslim rulers of Jerusalem had required non-Muslims also to wear Islamic garb. Hard to sort out.


18 posted on 11/19/2015 9:31:49 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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Bad idea. Middle Eastern chrstians are more anti-Jewish than the moslems are.

Arab Christians are probably native Jews who converted to Christianity at the beginning of the religion since they predate the arrival of Islam and would not have converted afterwards.

But anyway, many eastern Christians think American Protestants have them marked for death since American policies since the cold war ended have been a horror show for eastern Christians.

19 posted on 11/19/2015 9:33:05 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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Go to youtube for Walter Cronkite’s Twentieth Century piece, “The Incredible Turk”.

Ataturk did romanize written Turkish, outlawed the fez, liberated women sort of, and closed Hagia Sophia as a mosque. He abolished the Caliphate but again that may have been a competition thing.


20 posted on 11/19/2015 9:34:59 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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