BREAKING NEWS: 'Heavy gunfire' breaks out in Paris suburb as police hunt for ninth jihadi

The London Daily Mail ^ | November 18, 2015 | Keiligh Blair

[2ndDivisionVet]

Shooting broke out during anti-terrorist operation in a Paris suburb

Reports of an exchange of gunfire during operation in Saint-Denis

A special armed response unit of the French police carried out the raid

Police officers have been harmed during the operation - extent of their injuries is not yet known...

[wideminded]

Reinhard Heydrich’s father, the composer Richard Bruno Heydrich, had been effectively accused of being Jewish when a dictionary of German music listed him as having changed his name from a Jewish one. Apparently this wasn’t true but it became an obsession of the father to “clear his name” and perhaps this was passed on to the son.

[catbertz]

I just don’t read the AC as being Muslim, but I do believe he’s setting up both sides against the middle. I think he’s acting in a pure Machiavellian play. I think he will emerge from the west, and the religious leader as well.

[lentulusgracchus]

They need to pick 150 Muslims out at random and shoot them in front of a mosque

Better: Pick 150 fat hogs out at random and shoot them in front of a mosque.

Bigger reaction from the raggies. They'll go nuts.

[Greysard]

I’ve been thinking about this concept of how to actually deal with a hostile embedded enemy. There are no good, civil solutions to pacify this type of Islamic threat. I further think that they hope to push us to the point of barbarity.

The immigrants (including the imams who preach jihad) were accepted on an assumption that they will join the society and become citizens just like everyone else is. That assumption was wrong. The least painful solution would be to undo the grant of citizenship... but many of the immigrants have no other citizenship at the moment, and cannot be sent anywhere. The EU has very few options left:

1) Do nothing. Suffer terrorism, whack a mole when you can, but the opponent's human resources exceed yours, and their population grows while yours shrinks. This will not work in the long term, and the nation will cease to exist as soon as the Muslim population gets numerous enough to control the country through the democratic mechanisms. (That's where another Pinochet might step in.)

2) Dedicate some part of your territory to the opponent. Let them have their own state there. Build a wall and guard that border. This is technically doable. Legally, it's borderline; Stalin exiled several nations for their behavior during the World War II. Today collective punishment is illegal, but this separation is not punishment - it's a grant of statehood. France will lose some territory, but then it will be rid of the unwanted people. Islam would be outlawed in France, probably.

3) Allow a civil war to start; let the population fight it out. The end result will be the (2) above, only with far more dead and with lasting hate between the groups. This development promises no advantage, especially if Islamists win the war.

4) Use methods that are universally recognized as unacceptable today, like genocide or forced deportations into faraway lands. Even if attempted, this is going to create a lot of backlash, unless done exactly by Machiavelli's recommendations. Technically, it's not very likely. Legally... it might work if, say, Islamists get a nuke and explode it in some important place. Then the whole world will donate a few more nukes to them, free air delivery.

These problems are not unique to France; they will be the burden of every country that has a significant number of radical Muslims.

[lentulusgracchus]

Maybe islam is the antichrist.

Maybe it's Hildebeast. I've been calling her "the bat-winged consort" for years. Well, surprise surprise ...?

She sure wants the job bad enough. Nobody else in Satan's Party seems to.

[lentulusgracchus]

We don't have a lot of time left for theorizing. Pakistan has nuclear weapons and Iran will soon. Not long afterward they're going to design one with a lithium deuteride jacket and then yields go way up, and you can talk about killing an entire government with a single weapon smuggled into a capital city.

Europe's got to deport, and so do we. Millions and millions. Show us how it's done, guys, our lives and our civilization are on the line. Tick-tock.

[lentulusgracchus]

Use methods that are universally recognized as unacceptable today, like genocide or forced deportations into faraway lands.

Forced deportation is going to have to come back into vogue, given the stakes for morally mistaken host countries. It's one thing to accept Marielitos or Hungarian refugees, or Hmong fleeing persecution and mass murder in Laos. Moslems are serpents and will kill you.

Ironically, if Hitler had just deported German Jewry (as a lot of German Nazis apparently thought he intended to do before the Wannsee Protocol was enacted) rather than sending them to death camps, then deportation might not have the "illegal" status it has now.

Removal of populations, fwiw, was pioneered by the Assyrian Empire, so it's not as if Syrian and Iraqi Arabs had never heard of it.

[VerySadAmerican]

They all want to die. Why not grant them their wish?

[Timmy]

That’s a tough neighborhood. I think it’s one of those areas that is normally “ off limits” to cops.

[beachn4fun]

Lady is AWESOME!

[wideawake]

And . . . you both missed the point.

[dila813]

Bring back a witch trial test, but for islamists

Have a weight tied to their feet and ask them to swim a pond of molten pig fat, if they sink they are guilty, if they get to the other side they are deported.

[Daffynition]

Saba Amhed is a fake, phoney & fraud! Wraps herself in the American flag to claim her birthright of victimhood. Poor little muzlim.

Stupid Me-me-ghan didn't have the guts to challenge her on it

[Krosan]

The result is that all the terrorists are dead or captured. Some policemen wounded, but non dead and sadly that police dog died.

[Twinkie]

Ezekiel 38 & 39 describes fully what the Almighty is going
to do to the Jihadists who invade Israel. His fury is
going to come up in his face. - I believe He is getting
enough of this foolishness. - He won’t need any help from
the West or anyone else when his Devine Judgment falls.

[Twinkie]

Clarabelle?

[laplata]

What’s the point?

[bajabaja]

Thanks for that information. It fits.

[Black Agnes]

Was Charles Martel a tool of Satan?

Do you think he was a war criminal?

[wideawake]

What’s the point?

That indiscriminately murdering people selected at random does not bring back the dead, nor does it solve the problem.

Aping the enemy's tactics only tells the enemy that he is one step ahead.