[ConservingFreedom]

The degradation of the constitution did not really begin in any notable way for about 30 years

Which contradicts your previous claim that "you can plainly see that it was never really tried. They abused the Constitution from the start!"

Now perhaps you see the necessity for research.

[Cold Heat]

I stand by that....A government is hardly even broken in after 30 or so years. If it begins to breakdown that quickly, then it’s safe to say that it never passed the test of one lifetime.

So no, as a Constitutional Republic, the Constitution began to degrade very quickly.

But you know that. You are just being a prick.

[Cold Heat]

I'll say it again.. Which contradicts your previous claim that "you can plainly see that it was never really tried. They abused the Constitution from the start!"

I just posted some anecdotal proof that they did abuse it from the start. Now the start does not mean the first day or the first congress. I could use other quips like "before the ink was dry". I think 1828 is pretty early, don't you, and this sort of thing probably was happening before this, as you can see from the vote. I would , if I was researching it, continue to go back until I found one that failed to get the vote needed. I would use the next one that succeeded as the first. Then list and count them and add some footnotes about the subject matter.. But I am not doing that research.