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To: Cold Heat
many of these illicit substances are imported and often by international crime syndicates so that brings in the national enforcement operations, ie: the Fed.

And over imports the feds do have Constitutional authority - but not over pot grown, transferred, and consumed without ever leaving its state of origin.

Fans of legalized marijuana seem to think that making it legal will keep the fed out of it, but that's just not true..The state will obviously carry the biggest load, but the feds are going to want their cut and you will most certainly have Feds enforcing tax laws just as they do on alcohol.

I don't know any legalization supporters who say the feds won't tax it.

The constitution also gives congress under article 1, the power to make law for the general welfare of the country.

No, it gives power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises" in order to provide for a "general welfare" that the rest of Section 8 goes on to enumerate and thereby limit in scope. 'Father of the Constitution' James Madison addresses the misinterpretation you advance and debunks it with scathing decisiveness in Federalist 41.

223 posted on 11/13/2015 1:29:22 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Well take federalist 41 to the houses of congress and the SCOTUS and tell them, not ME!

Congress blew through that opinion nearly as fast as the first dollar was went into the treasury. That’s how far back you have to go.

I have already been through this shit.

Why don’t you get into your time machine, and go back the 1st day of the House of representatives, and ride herd on them, correcting them as they develop the customs and interpretations and 250 years body of law and precedents that are used today to justify what they do with the approval of SCOTUS who has done the same thing.

Call me or ping me when you get it fixed.

I have already made my opinion as to how to fix this in multiple posts on this thread.

In short and to repeat myself again, You have to kill it to fix it.


224 posted on 11/13/2015 1:46:33 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: ConservingFreedom

Something else here that you paleo’s or whatever you self identify as never acknowledge.

Madison was engaged in a argument, so there are at least two sides to it.

In any argument there is a winner and a loser.

Madison obviously lost that argument.

If he had won it, we would still see Federalism in our government and we would not see constant attempts, many successful to destroy it.

We would have hundreds of amendments and not less than 30.

That argument was lost, probably in 1788.

It’s utterly foolish to believe for a single second that you can change that after 250 years by bitching about it as did Madison at the founding..at day 1.

Sure, I would like to see a return to Federalism. Not convinced how you could possibly do that by argument. As I have tried to explain, I believe that one day will come a opportunity to rebuild from scratch. It would be only a small community of people, perhaps as small as the original population...I don’t know how many will survive the starvation, disease and chaotic violence.

I expect the global populations to be reduced by more than half.

If you live through it, you may get your chance to remake it. (The Fed Gov) but make damn sure you burn every piece of paper that comprised the body of law and congressional record that we work from today. Destroy it all.

I’ll be long gone, but that will be the only chance you will get to fix it.


226 posted on 11/13/2015 2:13:37 PM PST by Cold Heat
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