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To: TFMcGuire
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Christians attempting to convert anyone. Jews, Muslims and all religions have the same privilege.

WRONG, my FRiend. What gives Christians the right to decide that another person's peacefully observed religion is no good and has to be changed to theirs? I didn't get the memo that anyone appointed them G-d and the say-so to decide this.

Judaism is very much against proselytizing others to become Jews. It is very difficult to convince an Orthodox rabbi to teach you the precepts of Judaism culminating in conversion. I am not even discussing the "Become a Jew in 10 Days, Just Add Water" nonsense of the non-Orthodox. Their "Insta-Jew" stuff is not in accordance with Jewish law and the conversion would not be recognized in Israel.

I have a life, FRiend---a Jewish one. And nothing or no one is going to change that.

31 posted on 11/08/2015 12:52:30 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Then you have nothing to fret over.


34 posted on 11/08/2015 1:10:30 PM PST by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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To: EinNYC

I cannot argue with an ass like yourself. So you argue with yourself.


37 posted on 11/08/2015 1:21:28 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: EinNYC
What gives Christians the right to decide that another person's peacefully observed religion is no good and has to be changed to theirs?

What takes away anyone's right to decide what God wants? You? As long as there's no coercion or violence, what someone else thinks of your relationship with God is none of your business.

48 posted on 11/08/2015 1:53:27 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: EinNYC

Christianity began as a Jewish sect. There were no Gentiles at first. Later, when Gentiles converted, the Jewish leaders of Christianity had to decide whether Gentiles were required to convert to Judaism in order to be followers of Jesus.

The decision was against converting Gentiles to Judaism.

Today, Christianity has almost entirely abandoned its Jewish roots. It is almost as if Gentile Christians think Jews must abandon Judaism to be followers of Jesus.

It is tragically ironic. Early Christian leaders (who were Jewish) would abhor most of modern Christendom more than any pagan idol-worshipping religion.

God does not lie or break His promises. He will keep the covenants He made with Abraham, Moses, and David. He has not abandoned His people, Israel. He will save Israel from destruction, and will one day establish His reign over the earth from His throne in Jerusalem.


66 posted on 11/08/2015 3:05:22 PM PST by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: EinNYC
What gives Christians the right to decide that another person's peacefully observed religion is no good and has to be changed to theirs? I didn't get the memo that anyone appointed them G-d and the say-so to decide this.

They think their religious beliefs come from (lehavdil!) "god" just as yours come from HaShem. They are not intentionally following something they just pulled out of their jammies any more than you are. As long as they sincerely believe this, it is cruel for you to demand them to not obey their religion and try to convert everyone. You don't want them doing that? Then convert them to Noachism.

Judaism is very much against proselytizing others to become Jews. It is very difficult to convince an Orthodox rabbi to teach you the precepts of Judaism culminating in conversion. I am not even discussing the "Become a Jew in 10 Days, Just Add Water" nonsense of the non-Orthodox. Their "Insta-Jew" stuff is not in accordance with Jewish law and the conversion would not be recognized in Israel.

You're being a bit disingenuous here. Judaism does not proselytize non-Jews to convert to Judaism, but it very much does want non-Jews to convert to the Noachide Laws. I notice that you never mention these. You are raising two false alternatives: sincere belief in the exclusive truth of chrstianity (G-d forbid!), or else accepting all religions as equally valid. The Jewish mission to all non-Jews is to convert them to the Noachide Laws. Non-Jews won't make it into Ha`Olam HaBa' unless they do this.

You have never known what it is like to change religions once you learn the Truth. Someone like you and someone like me (a "convert" of sorts myself) will only ever talk past one another.

I'm done here.

83 posted on 11/08/2015 4:04:19 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: EinNYC

We have found a great Treasure. God tells us that He would love to give this Treasure to everyone, and He would appreciate our assistance. Thus we proclaim His good news. But, have no fear, unlike head-chopping muslims, faithful Christians understand that it is the Holy Spirit that does the converting. We just help out with the logistics once He has done the real work. I have no desire to coerce you, but I am overjoyed when someone else permits God to give His Treasure to him. I hope you are in peace.


88 posted on 11/08/2015 4:39:41 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no rmal, unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: EinNYC
"Judaism is very much against proselytizing others to become Jews.

Oy Vey, the Monotheist's Dilemma: If I'm right, you're wrong. If you're right, I'm wrong.

If you are right, why do you want to keep the light to yourself? Assuming of course that you believe you have been given light and are not merely engaged in some culturally intriguing curiosity.

Proselytizing is an excellent thing, mandated not only in the New Testament, but in the Tenach ("Old Testament" to you goyim out there) as well. The Psalms are full of it. Monotheism by its nature requires it, if one is to be truly compassionate. Sometimes I fear the "Thou Shalt Not Proselytize" folks are in fact closet polytheists, preferring one god among all the other "true for them" choices.

"I will praise you, Lord, among the nations; I will sing of you among the peoples." Psalm 57:9, and literally hundreds of like passages. It does not say "I will praise you behind closed doors, so no one will take offense." You may not like my interpretation, but the preference for closed doors may well come from fear of persecution, but it is my perhaps unscholarly opinion that "Closedness" has actually encouraged suspicion over the centuries and played into false and dangerous gentile understandings of what it means to be "the chosen people," i.e., some sort of "superiority" or "secretive monopolistic position" rather than a people chosen to carry a particular life-changing message of blessing for the world (the "FedEx-men of the spiritual realm," if you will).

All that said, Bachman spoke inarticulately, which was then magnified by folks bifurcating her statement hoping to make her look extra bad. Apparently the Bifurcators achieved success.

101 posted on 11/08/2015 6:35:10 PM PST by cookcounty ("I was a Democrat until I learned to count" --Maine Gov. Paul LePage)
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To: EinNYC

I hear you.


235 posted on 11/10/2015 3:22:02 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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