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Waco Coverup Unraveling
The Aging Rebel ^ | 11/3/2015

Posted on 11/04/2015 6:44:26 AM PST by Elderberry

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To: demshateGod
I tend to believe what actually happened is a couple of biker gangs started shooting at each other and the police came to break it up.

Why?

Available evidence and common sense say that what actually happened is that LEO choreographed the fight as a pretense to kill 9 and arrest (and financially destroy the lives of) 177 Texas residents, 118 of them (including one dead) with totally clean records in the state of Texas.

What you really mean is you tend to believe the MSM and LEO narrative.

21 posted on 11/04/2015 8:41:07 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: DesertRhino
Still, a bunch of childish A-holes ruining a sunday afternoon in a nice town.

You're talking about LEO, not members of biker clubs. You just don't know it. Poor sap.

22 posted on 11/04/2015 8:44:35 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: don-o

Where’s that other freak of nature, Texas Cajun or whatever he calls himself?


23 posted on 11/04/2015 9:01:26 AM PST by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: Lazamataz
Has this ever been answered?
24 posted on 11/04/2015 9:04:45 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Finny
Your reading experience is ivory tower out of touch.

We are talking about the classic outlaw bikers not Harley riders in general right? They guys that manufacture and sell meth and smuggle drugs around, etc? That is not true?

25 posted on 11/04/2015 9:11:34 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator
“We are talking about the classic outlaw bikers not Harley riders in general right? They guys that manufacture and sell meth and smuggle drugs around, etc? That is not true?”

So they have less rights than other citizens?

26 posted on 11/04/2015 9:15:49 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("It gets late early around here..." Yogi)
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To: DesertRhino
The LEO’s?
27 posted on 11/04/2015 9:19:42 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("It gets late early around here..." Yogi)
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To: mad_as_he$$
“We are talking about the classic outlaw bikers not Harley riders in general right? They guys that manufacture and sell meth and smuggle drugs around, etc? That is not true?” So they have less rights than other citizens?

I never said they did not have rights nor did I side with the police side overly much. I can both respect the rights of these bikers and not respect them as people even though they do have a 'cool factor' in society the way the Italian Mob is seen as cool. That does not mean a mobster does not have rights either.

28 posted on 11/04/2015 9:22:17 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Elderberry; All
For anyone who might not have "got" AR's Bonfire of the Vanities quality journalism reference: it a refers to Tom Wolfe's 1987 novel The Bonfire of the Vanities. It's an easy but long read. It's incredible that this book was published in 1987 yet it reflects so much of what we see in 2015.
29 posted on 11/04/2015 9:32:29 AM PST by Prolixus (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Trumpinator; don-o
We are talking about 117 residents of Texas (one of them shot dead), plus one out-of-state rider, for a total of 118 individuals, with zip, zero, null, nada, criminal records in the state of Texas.

The kinds of "classic outlaw bikers" I think you mean, the criminals, the bad-hearted dudes, the ones who assault and rob and manufacture meth and murder and kidnap and extort and harm innocent people out of meanness or greed, PRETTY MUCH ALL HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS by the time they're 22, if not earlier.

There is a vast chasm between a criminal and an outlaw. A criminal is someone who harms innocents, at least in a right world that's what a criminal is. "Outlaw" is a state of mind and often -- if not usually -- part and parcel of honorable, good men who do what they believe is right in the world their way independent of convention.

If we are talking about 118 members of motorcycle clubs with not a single arrest among them ... then we are talking about regular Joes who love motorcycles and who probably have an "outlaw" mentality. God bless them for the Americans they are.

30 posted on 11/04/2015 9:34:20 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: Trumpinator
From my reading experience these so called biker outlaw clubs are a drug running and criminal organization masquerading as weekend bike riding clubs or some such.

You, of course, are free to hold such an opinion and express it. Law enforcement is not free to do so.

Law enforcement must operate within the constraints of the Constitution. They may not arrest because they do not like your looks. They must comply with the 4th Amendment and arrest an individual only upon probable cause that an individual has committed a crime.

The "law" under which the 177 were arrested and detained under unconstitutional $1,000,000 bonds makes it a criminal act to sport certain insignia and calls a peaceable assembly an overt act in furtherance of a conspiracy. All this and more of what is happening in Waco ought to concern anyone who claims to be awake to the stripping away of American's liberty.

31 posted on 11/04/2015 9:34:47 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; wrench

The Waco Police admit to firing 12 rounds of .223 caliber. During the “siege.”


32 posted on 11/04/2015 9:34:51 AM PST by Prolixus (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Finny

I agree but the Banditos and Cossacks are such a criminal group - even if they did not deserve to be shot down in the street like dogs.


33 posted on 11/04/2015 9:41:38 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: don-o

I have a feeling if these were Bloods and Crips no one would be complaining except Al Sharpton. :P - tongue in cheek.


34 posted on 11/04/2015 9:42:47 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: don-o; Trumpinator

don-o said it VERY WELL. He really cuts to the chase — the right to assembly and free association is fundamental in America; police at Waco not only deprived these people of their right to assembly, they destroyed the financial and personal lives of all those arrested.


35 posted on 11/04/2015 9:43:22 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: Trumpinator

How do you know they are criminals?


36 posted on 11/04/2015 9:44:46 AM PST by Prolixus (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: don-o

The rule of law is what you criminal biker gang coverup guys will be crying about following the trials.


37 posted on 11/04/2015 9:49:32 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Trumpinator
Excuse me -- you think Bandidos and Cossacks are "such criminal groups." You think it because you are gullible.

I absolutely reject that Cossacks are "such criminal groups" because that group wasn't even on any lists of criminal groups in law enforcement prior to May 17, and as for the Bandidos, they were only second-tier "gangs" on LEO biker gang lists. Are there some bad dudes in the Bandidos? Yep, and there are some bad dudes in the church you attend or the civic club you belong to, as well. Do the Bandidos have a history of having criminal elements in their club? YEP, they sure do. Have the Bandidos refused to allow some to join the club because of their criminal pasts?

Why don't you do a little online investigating and find the answer to that one?

Trumpinator, here is something you had better understand: COPS WILL LIE if it will help support their narrative. Not all cops, but way too many.

38 posted on 11/04/2015 9:50:41 AM PST by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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To: don-o

Not factual and you know it.

The complaint was about some of the biker gang wannabes making personal threats on FR. JR must have handed out some spankins, cause that crap stopped.


39 posted on 11/04/2015 9:52:00 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Prolixus
How do you know they are criminals? Really? That is like asking me how do I know the Bloods or Crips are criminals. Look, I am not defending the cops actions but these specific biker gangs have a reputation based on all that I have read over the years of being in the criminal enterprise business.

Or are they just middle aged men pretending to be criminals while going through a mid-life crisis?

40 posted on 11/04/2015 9:52:07 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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