Posted on 11/04/2015 6:44:26 AM PST by Elderberry
Why?
Available evidence and common sense say that what actually happened is that LEO choreographed the fight as a pretense to kill 9 and arrest (and financially destroy the lives of) 177 Texas residents, 118 of them (including one dead) with totally clean records in the state of Texas.
What you really mean is you tend to believe the MSM and LEO narrative.
You're talking about LEO, not members of biker clubs. You just don't know it. Poor sap.
Where’s that other freak of nature, Texas Cajun or whatever he calls himself?
We are talking about the classic outlaw bikers not Harley riders in general right? They guys that manufacture and sell meth and smuggle drugs around, etc? That is not true?
So they have less rights than other citizens?
I never said they did not have rights nor did I side with the police side overly much. I can both respect the rights of these bikers and not respect them as people even though they do have a 'cool factor' in society the way the Italian Mob is seen as cool. That does not mean a mobster does not have rights either.
The kinds of "classic outlaw bikers" I think you mean, the criminals, the bad-hearted dudes, the ones who assault and rob and manufacture meth and murder and kidnap and extort and harm innocent people out of meanness or greed, PRETTY MUCH ALL HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS by the time they're 22, if not earlier.
There is a vast chasm between a criminal and an outlaw. A criminal is someone who harms innocents, at least in a right world that's what a criminal is. "Outlaw" is a state of mind and often -- if not usually -- part and parcel of honorable, good men who do what they believe is right in the world their way independent of convention.
If we are talking about 118 members of motorcycle clubs with not a single arrest among them ... then we are talking about regular Joes who love motorcycles and who probably have an "outlaw" mentality. God bless them for the Americans they are.
You, of course, are free to hold such an opinion and express it. Law enforcement is not free to do so.
Law enforcement must operate within the constraints of the Constitution. They may not arrest because they do not like your looks. They must comply with the 4th Amendment and arrest an individual only upon probable cause that an individual has committed a crime.
The "law" under which the 177 were arrested and detained under unconstitutional $1,000,000 bonds makes it a criminal act to sport certain insignia and calls a peaceable assembly an overt act in furtherance of a conspiracy. All this and more of what is happening in Waco ought to concern anyone who claims to be awake to the stripping away of American's liberty.
The Waco Police admit to firing 12 rounds of .223 caliber. During the “siege.”
I agree but the Banditos and Cossacks are such a criminal group - even if they did not deserve to be shot down in the street like dogs.
I have a feeling if these were Bloods and Crips no one would be complaining except Al Sharpton. :P - tongue in cheek.
don-o said it VERY WELL. He really cuts to the chase — the right to assembly and free association is fundamental in America; police at Waco not only deprived these people of their right to assembly, they destroyed the financial and personal lives of all those arrested.
How do you know they are criminals?
The rule of law is what you criminal biker gang coverup guys will be crying about following the trials.
I absolutely reject that Cossacks are "such criminal groups" because that group wasn't even on any lists of criminal groups in law enforcement prior to May 17, and as for the Bandidos, they were only second-tier "gangs" on LEO biker gang lists. Are there some bad dudes in the Bandidos? Yep, and there are some bad dudes in the church you attend or the civic club you belong to, as well. Do the Bandidos have a history of having criminal elements in their club? YEP, they sure do. Have the Bandidos refused to allow some to join the club because of their criminal pasts?
Why don't you do a little online investigating and find the answer to that one?
Trumpinator, here is something you had better understand: COPS WILL LIE if it will help support their narrative. Not all cops, but way too many.
Not factual and you know it.
The complaint was about some of the biker gang wannabes making personal threats on FR. JR must have handed out some spankins, cause that crap stopped.
Or are they just middle aged men pretending to be criminals while going through a mid-life crisis?
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