Ben Carson Ties Trump In New Poll (And Their Numbers Are Impressive)

ConservativeIntel ^ | 10/30/15 | Staff

[Din Maker]

New Yorkers will vote for Trump over Hillary Clinton day in and day out.
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Hmmmmm............. Not sure anyone believes that. If I thought that was possible, I’d work like a mad-man for Trump to get the nomination.

[jmaroneps37]

A little prospective:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/30/trump-now-leads-carson-by-five-after-trailing-by-seven-in-same-national-poll-last-month/
Some before, some after debate
“….the IBD/TIPP poll conducted in late September and early October, which gave Carson a shocking 24/17 lead……. A month later, IBD/TIPP has Trump back in the lead. 28/23 a [12 point swing.]”

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_still_the_clear_leader_after_latest_debate
Today’s Rasmussen: 10/31/15
Rasmussen Reports’ latest national telephone survey finds that 31% of Likely Republican Voters think Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee in 2016. Dr. Ben Carson is a distant second at 20%.

[LS]

As I have said from the outset, while we can nitpick the details of almost any poll, I think two things are clear:

1) Trump continues to lead, and in many cases, lead big in most polls, both national and state;

2) Carson has made inroads in WI, TX, IA, and AZ. He also has scored in some national polls.

That is all we know for certain. They "why" is a mystery. He has done nothing policy wise or campaign wise (other than to suspend for a while on his book tour) that would account for these numbers. In most cases, as best I can tell, Trump hasn't lost much---maybe down 2-3 points---but rather it is Carson who has gained. The question then is, "from whom?"

Cruz remains fairly steady, gaining a point or two. Fiorina has dropped, so I guess we can say Carson must be getting her votes, and, as strange as it sounds, Carson apparently is picking up some of the lower tier voters and some of the Yeb voters.

Moreover, none of us (despite what some claim) REALLY know what's going on within the campaigns. We THINK Cruz is focusing heavily on IA; and we THINK Carson has all his eggs in the IA basket; but we also have seen Trump has an active on-the-ground presence there.

My guess is that however they are doing it, and to whatever extent they are successful, the GOPe is boosting Carson to knock down Trump. Then they will use Cruz to knock down Carson because Cruz is a "true conservative." Then when Trump and Carson are eliminated, they will quickly crush Cruz.

Now, that said, I think Trump and Cruz especially know this is the game. I don't know about Ben. And again, we know the two talked twice earlier in the campaign in NYC. Is a Pres/Veep deal, no matter which order, on the table? Who knows?

[Catsrus]

Are you kidding me? They will use Cruz to knock down Carson? They hate Cruz. (establishment folks).

[lee martell]

When it looks like a Schlockmeister, and talks like a schlockmeister, it IS a schlockmeister aka Pill-Pusher.
This may help explain Carsons’ “popularity”.
Many in the health insurance and medication manufacturers are very organized profit centers, can be very efficient at lobbying their positions and piling on the pork.

[Jane Long]

Looks like Trump is calling out the good Doc....starting, now! Love his hit at Kasich....in the SAME tweet :)

I am going to save Medicare and Medicaid, Carson wants to abolish, and
failing candidate Gov. John Kasich doesn't have a clue - weak!— Donald
J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 31, 2015

[Norseman]

>>I’m wondering if he would be able to pull a sizeable number of Black votes or if he’d get the usual 7% of the Black vote most GOP candidates get.<<

I’d like to think that there are black mothers and black professionals out there who are appalled by the current liberal treatment of police as they watch the result: homicides and violent crime increasing on a daily basis as cops decide to police defensively in city after city.

I’d also like to think that any well-spoken conservative candidate could convince them that liberals, and particularly President Obama, are the direct cause of the increase in violence.

While I do think that there are blacks out there who are appalled, I’m less convinced that any non-black conservative, no matter how well spoken, can draw their support. Senator Paul has certainly tried, to no apparent effect.

Maybe Dr. Carson won’t be able to either, but I’m convince he’d try, and I’m hopeful that a growing number of blacks are ready to say “Enough” to this constant cop baiting that President Obama keeps encouraging, even as his own FBI director directly contradicts him.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Notice its always NBC and ABC polls that are radically different than the mainstream polls which all show Trump with a significant lead. Whose drawing the crowds? That’s who is going win.

[Norseman]

>>And obviously Carson doesn’t hold a candle to Cruz on his depth of knowledge on economic and national security issues. Trump and Cruz should be the top two.<<

I think Cruz would make a great President. I also think Carson could be the more electable of the two, as the polls currently indicate, by the way.

But when you talk policy and then put Trump on top of even Cruz, you lose credibility completely. Trump has supported, and in the future probably will support, nationalized healthcare. Carson will go the other direction. That alone justifies picking Carson over Trump.

As for Trump’s immigration stance, remember that big open door in the fence with welcome written on it, and ask yourself just how big it will be. Trump is a fake, from word go.

By the way, as ridiculous as that CNBC graph of the language level spoken by the candidates, it was precious that Trump was at the bottom, speaking at the level of an early 5th grader. I have a 2nd grade grandson who also speaks at about that level. They’d probably get along great, except my grandson doesn’t resort to insults to settle matters. He does occasionally mope like Trump, however, when he isn’t getting his way.

[Norseman]

>>That’s the fear I have of Carson. He’s an awesome person, but, not enough fire in the belly to face Hillary in a Debate. If the fire is there he needs to become a fire breather.<<

I think you’d be amazed at the number of women who would vote against a man for acting like a “fire breather” when debating Hillary, or any other woman. For that matter, they’d also vote against a man who acted like that when debating another man.

If Carson were a typical neurosurgeon, full of himself, and acting like it, he wouldn’t be outpolling Trump by 2:1 among women in Iowa.

[Norseman]

Great, so now Trump supporters are buying into birth to death government healthcare. Dr. Carson won’t jettison either program, but he just might figure out a way to let most of us avoid them. And wouldn’t it be nice to be able to stick with your same plan as you move from your working days to retirement years, instead of having to sort through hundreds of options in your mid-sixties?

If he can figure out how to do that, and I think he will, that alone makes him a superior candidate to Trump.

By the way, if Bush had tweeted that same silly tweet, all the Trump supporters would be tearing him down for supporting another GOPe-sponsored big government program, and you know you would.

As for the “failing candidate Gov. John Kasich doesn’t have a clue - weak!” part, speaking of “weak.” CNBC was right about one thing; Trump communicates like a 5th grader.

[Norseman]

>>Whose drawing the crowds? That’s who is going win.<<

So Bernie’s going to beat Hillary then?

[Jane Long]

LOLOL!

John Harwood, is that you??

You seem to be a Kasich fan. Good for you ;-)

If you think ANY candidate is going to win, by proposing immediately eliminating Medicare and Medicaid, you’re smokin’ what ever Kasich was smoking, before the debate.

Without illegals mooching off of our Medicare and Medicaid programs, they are very viable....until privatized savings accounts can be phased in. Trumps plan to remove illegals will benefit these programs, immensely.

[Georgia Girl 2]

LOL! Trump does this 3 times a week in every early primary state. But thanx for playing. :-)

[Georgia Girl 2]

Be sure to let me know when Bernie gets a speech on the USS any ship and draws thousands. :-)

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Trump and Carson both earned 26 percent, while Cruz took 10 percent.

52% of the vote is going to non-politicians --a truly astounding phenomenon. In third place is the most despised Republican on the hill.

62% are sending a strong and irrevocable message to the GOPe, which is doing its best not to listen.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

I’m pulling for President Cruz. I’ll settle for President Trump.

I agree. I'd settle for Carson, too. It's a shame about Rubio. He's a talented guy, but he lost us for good when he joined the gang of eight.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

I can’t make sense of Caron’s numbers at all. I don’t want to send “Mr. Squishy” to negotiate with Putin or ME nutjobbers.

You've answered your own question. Some people like Mr. Outspoken. Some people like Mr. Soft-spoken.

Different personalities appeal to different people.

[Norseman]

>>Without illegals mooching off of our Medicare and Medicaid programs, they are very viable....until privatized savings accounts can be phased in. <<

So you’re actually in favor of the privatized savings accounts that Dr. Carson is advocating, I take it.

Meanwhile, he’s not talking about dropping Medicare or Medicaid, only, as you put it, phasing in HSA’s for those of us who want to get the government out of our healthcare decisions.

As for Trump, he’s on record, even recently I believe, in favor of single payer, i.e., nationalized healthcare, but Trump supporters just hear what they want to hear and ignore the rest...too much cognitive dissonance otherwise.

[Norseman]

>>LOL! Trump does this 3 times a week in every early primary state. But thanx for playing. :-)<<

Playing what? I just pointed out that by the same logic, Bernie will beat Hillary. I doubt that logic will carry the day, but I do hope Bernie beats her.