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To: DoughtyOne

White certainly struck down the tenet from Hebrews that Christ entered ONCE for all the sanctuary and presented the Blood of His Sacrifice, as a done-deal.
White says that, in fulfillment of Miller’s prophecy that Christ would return in 1844 (which He didn’t), He went into the sanctuary a SECOND TIME to do an “investigative judgment”, to check up on who all is enduring to the end, and who is not. That is a gross contrivance which no one can prove or disprove, and is thus worthless — yet it is a major tenet of SDA.
But the part you neglected to mention is that, as I said, much SDA literature impugns the Sunday-worshipping evangelical masses for being part of the antichrist world system, tantamount to being the Mark of the Beast. Just try answering for that on the campaign trail. Also try answering for the SDA interpretation that a Pope will be the antichrist himself.
People have a right to hold these views; but they have no right to expect that they will not be scrutinized.


63 posted on 10/25/2015 8:40:40 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Migraine
White certainly struck down the tenet from Hebrews that Christ entered ONCE for all the sanctuary and presented the Blood of His Sacrifice, as a done-deal.

White interpreted other scriptures to reveal something else.  She somehow saw the scriptures you reference to have fit in some way.  You come here all charged up on this point, but who's to say you or White have the proper interpretation.  Most people undertand that different regligions place more emphasis on certain parts of the Bible than others do, and certain parts of the Bible that seem to say something clearly in one church's eyes does not mean the same thing to another church.  That's why we have different chruches  It makes neither church a cult.


White says that, in fulfillment of Miller’s prophecy that Christ would return in 1844 (which He didn’t),

White's first vision (first paragraph) did not occur until after the date Christ was thought to return in 1844.  She was not the driving force behind the 1844 movement.  She was a seventeen year old kid.  This was driven by consensus developed within the protestant movement of the day.

He went into the sanctuary a SECOND TIME to do an “investigative judgment”, to check up on who all is enduring to the end, and who is not. That is a gross contrivance which no one can prove or disprove, and is thus worthless — yet it is a major tenet of SDA.

And yet other major tenets that cannot be proven or disproven are the basis for other religion's beliefs.  I have no doubt that each church does it's best to interpret the Bible in literal terms.  That doesn't mean that man is evil for adopting one belief vs another.  I could look at your church and think it was evil.  I don't choose to look at things that way.

But the part you neglected to mention is that, as I said, much SDA literature impugns the Sunday-worshipping evangelical masses for being part of the antichrist world system, tantamount to being the Mark of the Beast.

I'm not here to trash Catholics.  Some of the Catholics on the forum will remember that I defended them when 'some' priests were revealed to have done some despciable things.  I viewed it, and I still do, as a lever for the media to trash Christianity by any means necessary.  In this instance there was clearly wrong-doing, but Christianity in the larger sense was what the media sought to tarnish.  "See how Christian's behave".  Yes some claiming to be Christians did behave badly, but anyone doing those sorts of things were not following Christian teachings, so I defended the rank and file Catholics who found the acts as abhorant as anyone else would.  They needed reaonsed people to point this out, and I was happy to do that.

Please don't read my remarks as trying to trash anyone.  I am raising an issue, and people can't contemplate it as they see fit.  Catholics as well as members of other Sunday keeping churches are good people, who have been raised to believe what they do.  I respect that.

A the time of creation, God rested on the Seventh day and hallowed it.  At the time of the Israelites they were instructed by the Ten Commandments to keep the Seventh-Day Sabbath.  Jesus observed the Seventh-Day Sabbath.  At no time in the whole of the Bible is anyone instructed to quit observing the Seventh-Day Sabbath and start observing Sunday instead.  Lest there be question of which day is the Seventh-Day, that day has not changed since creation.  As far back as the Bible goes, people kept the Seventh-Day Sabbath and the Israelites on down continued to do so.  Jews to this day still keep that day as the Sabbath.  Saturday.  

The words for Saturday around the world, come very close to the form used for Sabbath.  It is not simply a Christian centric meaning  Serveral I listed use Lordag, or possibly the Lord's day.  I'm not an expert in languages, but I did look all these up..

Croation / Subota
Czech / Sobota
Espiranto / Sabato
Galician / Sabado
Indonesian / Sabtu
Italian / Sabato
Malagasy / Asabotsy
Malay / Sabtu
Norwegian / Lørdag
Polish / Sobota
Portuguese / Sabato
Slovak / Sobata
Somali / Sabti
Spanish / Sabodo
Sweedish / Lördag

Is it reasoned or not to think the Sabbath of Creation was a binding committment for men who feared God to observe his Sabbath.  

Was Cain's sacrifice denied, because he did not please God?  Yes.  Was Able's sacrifice accepted because he did please God?  Yes.

Does God expect us to follow His word?  I believe the answer is yes.

Isn't it at least worthy of discussion for Christians to contemplate if observance of the Seventh-Day Sabbath brings them into compliance with God's directive?

If it is God's will that we listen to Him and observe his Commandments, what would the observance of another days signify?  Could it signify buying into the anti-Christ's replacement sabbath?

As I said, this is food for thought.  I'm not here to make a determination on this.  I was raised an SDA.  I am not there to condemn anyone who is not observing the Seventh-Day Sabbath.  That's for others to determine for themselves.

Adventists believe that a time will come when people will not be able to buy or sell if they don't have the mark of the beast.  Now, this is where I personally ask folks to keep their eyes and ears open.

If there does come a time when folks are ordered to either observe a certain day, or not be able to buy or sell, and it's not Saturday, I would ask them to keep this in mind then.

If a time comes when people will be prevented from buying or selling if they aren't Sunday keepers, that will pretty well nail it down for me.  

It will prove that Saturday is the correct Sabbath, because God's people will be persecuted for not keeping the false Sabbath.

It may not mean this to others.  Once again, I ask folks to consider this for themselves.

Just try answering for that on the campaign trail.

I just did.

Also try answering for the SDA interpretation that a Pope will be the antichrist himself.

While this has been considered over the years, I'm not convinced of it.  It's not out of the realm of possibility.  Catholics may consider the Pope to be infallible.  I don't.  I consider all men to be fallible.  I have recently thought the Pope to have been off base on comments he has made.  That's as far as I take it.  God will be the final judge of us all.  How things play out in the final days, is somewhat of a mystery to us all.  We can kid ourselves that we know all of God's will, but there seems to be some vagueness to the events of end times.  Revealation itself is a mystery to schollars.  I'm not sure anyone has an ironclad interpretation of everything.  I believe that we are asked to live our lives within Christian guidlines, and allow things to happen as God wills it.

Will a Pope rise up to be the anti-Christ?  I consider a member of Islam to be a much more likely prospect, but I'm certainly not infallible.

There was a time when it did not even occur to people that members of Islam might be a global threat.

Was Ellen White instructed in all things?  I don't know.  I don't claim she was.  I don't believe she warned against Islam, but I could be wrong on that.


People have a right to hold these views; but they have no right to expect that they will not be scrutinized.

Scrutinze at will.  I'll tell you what I believe, but what you believe has to make sense to you, not me..

76 posted on 10/25/2015 10:22:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: Migraine

Satan deceived Adam and Eve by twisting one little sentence.

Cults work that way, too.

*Lots* of outward good works hide the dangerously tiny little lies.


86 posted on 10/25/2015 11:53:22 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away...)
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