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To: DaveyB

We are addressing this academically, and I realize there will be diverse views to an extent.

I believe the Holy Spirit lives within us. Without it there is no compulsion to do right.

When Saul was moved to do right, it was only possible because the Holy Spirit was already within and working on him.

I don’t seek to diminish the anointing and would equate it in relative terms to baptism. It would be a formal act of something that had already taken place. In the case of baptism, I would term it something that had to take place, so I don’t want to make it seem I think it’s is a mere formality. I see it as a very important significant act.

Anointing, not quite to that level. I do think it is a worthy act too.


360 posted on 10/09/2015 10:33:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I believe the Holy Spirit lives within us. Without it there is no compulsion to do right.

I'm not certain who you mean by us. If you mean the regenerate, certainly the Holy Spirit has made us His temple and He dwells in us. But, if you mean all humanity I must disagree. Humanity has been given general revelation to know things of God but not His redemption. (see Romans 1 below) The call to the sinner is effectual when the Holy Spirit working upon the elect to will and to do. The "helper" in John 15:26 is understood to be the Holy Spirit.

" But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

It would seem that the Holy Spirit was not in all if He was sent after the resurrection. Yet, there were many who did right even before the Holy Spirit was sent so I think your reasoning is incorrect.

Romans 1:19-25 ... because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man -- and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

368 posted on 10/09/2015 10:50:23 AM PDT by DaveyB (Live free or die!)
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