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Why Cruz Won’t Pick Up Trump Supporters
Nat Rev ^ | 10/7/15 | Henry Olsen

Posted on 10/08/2015 12:47:48 PM PDT by VinL

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To: VinL

Trump supporters are the base, not the moderates. This guy is not paying attention. Moderates don’t scream like banshees like Trumps supporters do. The moderates are still busy pontificating and expostulating and carefully discussing everything.

The thrill is gone, moderates. Trump will be the next president unless forcefully removed from the scene by something or someone.

They say Maxwell Perkins could tell if a book was great literature by reading one page. If these pundits would watch 5 minutes of Trump with open eyes and ears, they would see what’s happening. Basically, they care more about themselves and extending their petty little undeserved careers than they do about the country.


61 posted on 10/08/2015 5:25:50 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: entropy12

Yes I know

Any in 1986 you were crying about Reagan selling out the Conservative movement.

No one but God is perfect. If you demand perfection in politics prepare to die frustrated and angry.


62 posted on 10/08/2015 5:36:10 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Jim Noble
The best outcome is for President Trump to nominate him to replace Ginsburg or Breyer.

That is brilliant.

63 posted on 10/08/2015 5:38:51 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: CatherineofAragon

whats your point? You don’t think the media is obnoxious in its attempted takedown of trump?


64 posted on 10/08/2015 5:52:55 PM PDT by stanne
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To: MNJohnnie
No one but God is perfect.

Hey, I have said that often. I was simply responding to the post saying Cruz is very principled. I know he is, but he can not ignore his rich donors if he wants to stay in the race. Just want to make clear even Cruz is not perfect. Reagan? I only voted for him 2 times, and regret could'nt do it 3 times or more.

65 posted on 10/08/2015 5:54:36 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his/her rich donors!)
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To: MNJohnnie

BUMP!


66 posted on 10/08/2015 5:56:02 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his/her rich donors!)
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To: conservativejoy

And of course you have no problem increasing H1-B visa’s five fold. It only hurts the middle class, so no biggie!


67 posted on 10/08/2015 6:00:41 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote for a candidate, you are actually voting for his/her rich donors!)
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To: VinL

Henry is wrong. Cruz would get much of Trumps supporters. But since he wouldn’t also get all that crossover dem and indy support, it won’t help him much.


68 posted on 10/08/2015 6:08:22 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Ted Grant

okay, fair enough, who do you call credible?


69 posted on 10/08/2015 6:14:53 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: Jim Noble; TigerClaws
You guys are willing to make a pretty big gamble on Trump, with the cherry-on-top of naming Cruz to the SC when he's president.

It was a long time ago, but in 1999, Trump openly supported nationalized health care.

Not so long ago, in 2008, he enthusiastically supported Barack Obama.

TWO years ago Trump donated $25,000 to help put former DNC Chairman and campaign director for both Clintons Terry McAuliffe, in the Virginia Governor's mansion. Only two years ago.

And you guys are hoping and wishing that he'd do something like appoint Cruz to the SC if he's president.

In 1999, 2008, and 2013, Cruz held the same convictions he does today because he is guided by a political compass.

It's anybody's guess as to where Trump will stand on any issue in 2018, or 2020. Folks willing to vote for Trump are voting for what they hope Trump will be.

Two years ago he was instrumental in putting a DNC toadie in a governorship.

People can't know what they're voting for in Trump, any more than the man in the moon. You can know what you're voting for in Cruz. 1999, 2008, and 2013. Same principle, same stance.

You should only be willing to vote for what you want to win. There's way too much evidence that a lot of the things Trump likes are things I want to lose.

And I only vote for what I want to win.

70 posted on 10/08/2015 6:28:09 PM PDT by Finny (Be prepared to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is a wish.)
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To: VinL
To put it in terms he might understand, a majority of Republican voters have more in common with Mitch McConnell than with him.

Yeah?
Is that why 72% of Republican voters disapprove of Boehner and Mitch McConnell? Say, how is Linda Graham, who is lockstep with Mitch McConnell, doing in the polls these days?
What a silly article.

71 posted on 10/08/2015 6:51:03 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: VinL
Thirty-six percent say they want the most conservative candidate, and Cruz polls a respectable 14 percent among them. Fifty-one percent choose electability, however, and only an anemic two percent of these voters choose Cruz.

This is a false choice. Except for maybe Phil Crane, Reagan was the most conservative candidate in 1980. Yet he certainly turned out to be more "electable" than George the Elder, Howard the Baker, Bob Dole, John Connolly and John B. Anderson.

Voters also vote on a whole lot of things besides stated positions. They don't have "MORE IN COMMON" with Mitch McConnell because they aren't skunks. Most here who support Trump have reservations on a number of his positions, be it Eminent Domain, a "better" replacement for Obamacare, etc. But they have no doubt that he is his own man, and they are willing to take the disagreements as part of the package just as Cruz supporters do on a couple of issues.

The author of the piece doesn't realize that even if Trump "fades", his supporters are not likely to go to someone who shows contempt for him (e.g. Jindal), and it won't go to a straight Establishment candidate (e.g. John Ellis Bush). It is unlikely to go to someone with Carly Fiorina's face, either. Cruz, and many of us Cruz supporters, sees a connection with Trump's candidacy and what Cruz' candidacy represents. Cruz is now a pariah among Senators, Trump is a pariah among big corporate Chamber of Commerce types, both blackballed in their own clubs. When the clubs are broken, tat may not be a bad thing.


72 posted on 10/09/2015 4:48:33 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: entropy12
And of course you have no problem increasing H1-B visa’s five fold. It only hurts the middle class, so no biggie!

I do have a problem with it, and I am a Cruz supporter who works in IT, and see close the problems they cause.

The current explanation is that Cruz supported that as a poison pill to kill the whole bill. I don't know.

But you know, I like Chinese food, and I don't like rice. When I go to the Chinese restaurant, sometimes a decent dish without rice isn't on the menu. So, I get the meal with the rice, and put up with it because of the rest. We have a full menu. Santorum clicks on a LOT of these issues, but he's yesterday's news to a lot of people, so it just isn't happening with him. So, of the available choices, Cruz is the one I support. Others with different priorities on issues (or attitude) may choose Trump, Carson or Rubio, etc.
73 posted on 10/09/2015 4:53:26 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: VinL

Cruz isn’t going to pick up Trump supporters, because Trump is not going anywhere.

He is in this race to the end, and he is running to win.

He just reiterated that, about 15 minutes ago on of all places MSNBC. Which has a very good interview of him, by all five or so hosts.

He said that he is in this race to win it, and he is never going to stand down. He said it was media bias, it even came up.

I completely agree with him.

He said clearly, and Joe Scarborough repeated, he is in this to win this.

He is leading in very single poll. All of them.

He is not going to stand down. He’s going to the the next president.


74 posted on 10/09/2015 4:57:30 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The outsiders, mostly. Trump, Carson, Fiorina. Anybody that’s made a career in politics runs into the credibility problem in 2016. And that’s just about the rest of the field.


75 posted on 10/09/2015 11:16:05 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Ted Grant

I would say being a long time crony in business is a career in politics.


76 posted on 10/09/2015 11:26:59 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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