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Gun-control opponents love to cite Chicago. So how does it compare to the rest of America?
The Washington Post ^ | October 5, 2015 | Phillip Bump

Posted on 10/05/2015 1:29:19 PM PDT by beaversmom

Any time an article is written about the overlap of gun violence and politics, there is one response that is guaranteed to be offered: "What about Chicago?" Say that mass shootings have occurred hundreds of times in the last few years and you're asked, "What about Chicago?" Talk about the politics of background check legislation and someone will respond, "What about Chicago?"

Well, let's try to answer that.

Chicago has become a go-to shorthand for opponents of gun-control legislation. That's in part thanks to President Obama calling Chicago home, the fact that the city's mayor is Obama ally Rahm Emanuel and the city's laws aimed at curtailing gun violence -- combined with what often feels like an endless number of shootings. Matt Drudge of the Drudge Report has made the "CHICAGOLAND" sobriquet a staple of his coverage of the city. Breitbart seized on September data for a story about how the city's September was its "deadliest in over a decade." Here's a real-time Twitter search for "Chicago" and "gun control." It's guaranteed to be well-stocked at any given moment.

There's no question that Chicago sees more gun violence than the rest of the country. Using data on mass shootings -- defined here as incidents in which four or more people were shot -- we can compare Chicago to the rest of the country. Since 2013, Chicago has seen 207 people wounded in mass shooting incidents and 32 killed -- far more than any other city. But without robust data on cities of smaller sizes than Chicago, it’s very difficult to know how exceptional Chicago’s per-capita mass shootings are.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Illinois
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1 posted on 10/05/2015 1:29:19 PM PDT by beaversmom
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2 posted on 10/05/2015 1:31:54 PM PDT by beaversmom
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Gun-control advocates hate to have to talk about Chicago because they have no come-back for it.


3 posted on 10/05/2015 1:33:00 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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Sure they do. They can point to Detroit or Baltimore.


4 posted on 10/05/2015 1:34:26 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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5 posted on 10/05/2015 1:34:35 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag necessary?)
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To: beaversmom

Contrast this with Detroit, where it has gotten so bad the police chief advised people to arm themselves because the police force was at the point they were unable to respond to the violence. In Chicago, you’re just a sitting duck.


6 posted on 10/05/2015 1:35:42 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Mr. Lucky

Hmmm...I wonder what are some common components of these regions? We should ponder and study that for 30 or 40 seconds.


7 posted on 10/05/2015 1:38:07 PM PDT by beaversmom
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In Chicago, you’re just a sitting duck.

Not if you have round-the-clock police bodyguards, like Mayor Rahm.

8 posted on 10/05/2015 1:38:29 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: beaversmom
Say that mass shootings have occurred hundreds of times in the last few years and you're asked...

Actually, I don't ask you a damn thing. I call you a liar and walk away.

9 posted on 10/05/2015 1:38:50 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (The greatest trick the Soviets ever pulled was convincing the world they didn't exist.)
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To: kaehurowing

Maybe Mr. Bump should look at another trend line. Gun control laws as compared with shooting crimes.

While no one on this site would be surprised by the result, I am sure Mr. Bump would be stuned. Then he would look for a way to blame Conservatives.


10 posted on 10/05/2015 1:41:45 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Jews For Cruz)
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To: beaversmom
The highest ratio of killings to population happened at the Renegade Mountain resort in Tennessee, due to an incident in which four people were killed -- in a place with about 40 permanent residents.

That's an answer? These people are nutso. 4 people killed is the defining stat? Liberals are insane.

11 posted on 10/05/2015 1:41:51 PM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: beaversmom

3 or 4 seconds to think about it is more than enough time for anybody who lives in Realville.


12 posted on 10/05/2015 1:42:43 PM PDT by digger48 (ars)
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Not if you have round-the-clock police bodyguards, like Mayor Rahm.

Just let the guy enjoy his waffles or whatever it is that he's eating.

13 posted on 10/05/2015 1:43:29 PM PDT by beaversmom
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You’re right. What the heck was I thinking!? :)


14 posted on 10/05/2015 1:44:24 PM PDT by beaversmom
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Id wear a vest everyday in chicago.


15 posted on 10/05/2015 1:46:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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As a result the crime rate in Detroit is falling ((Still high but falling) Property crimes like home invasion and carjacking have plummeted.

Thugs are wearing body armor these days because they don't have a clue who is going to open fire on them.

Paris Ainsworth was hit 4 times and still returned fire hitting 2 of 3 assailants.

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I keep an eye on news out of Detroit and its not unusual to see 2 or 3 stories about defensive shootings per week.
16 posted on 10/05/2015 1:47:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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I don’t want to ever step foot in one of those places. Ain’t my thing.


17 posted on 10/05/2015 1:48:30 PM PDT by beaversmom
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... I don't care what you say ... gun control clearly works!

18 posted on 10/05/2015 1:53:37 PM PDT by Zakeet (Make Chelsea Clinton the new ambassador to Lybia. What difference does it make?)
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To: Yo-Yo

0blama challenged the press, the other day, to compare the number of shooting deaths to those killed by terrorism.

I wonder what those actual numbers are, from 9/11 to date.

Such a small-minded thing to say, regardless.


19 posted on 10/05/2015 1:56:16 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: beaversmom

Chicago is, in many ways, a basket case, just looking for a hole in the ground to be dropped into and covered up.

The financial status is running on fumes, and parts of the city are nearly as uninhabitable as corresponding parts of Detroit. A city council made up of equal parts of criminals and cronies with ties to the major banking houses, there has not been a Republican within striking distance of City Hall since the Chicago Tribune lost Colonel Robert R. McCormick, one-time managing editor, sometime in the 1950’s, about the time the Daley Machine got into full gear. In short, the very poster child for years of unchallenged Democrat exploitation, just not yet progressed as far as Baltimore or the aforementioned Detroit.

Now, Chicago used to be much more open about its love affair with guns, romanticizing the likes of Al Capone and its wide-open criminal/government joint enterprises. Chicago was the home of labor abuses and agitation, and drive-by shootings were probably, if not invented there, at least raised to an art form. But that was partially controlled by the various members of the populace, like merchants and business men, shooting back, from time to time, until the crime bosses got tired of all the amateur competition, and got the city council to outlaw most forms of personal gun ownership and conditions of use.

Now, only the various facets of the criminals have access to guns, mostly stolen or moved by black market channels.

There are gun laws that would crack down on this criminal practice, but they simply are not enforced in any consistent manner, or investigations are quickly shut down, because, in many instances, there are some pretty highly placed people who may be compromised by their involvement in this illicit trafficking in guns and ammunition.

It takes money, lots of it, to support this endless graft, and therein lie most of Chicago’s financial problems. They are rapidly running out of Other People’s Money, and the base for their revenue is getting a little small.

Chicago ain’t ready for reform.


20 posted on 10/05/2015 1:58:29 PM PDT by alloysteel (Do not argue with trolls. That means they win.)
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