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It's hard to know what to believe here, but I am certain that I don't trust Pope Francis.
1 posted on 10/02/2015 11:54:35 AM PDT by wagglebee
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3 posted on 10/02/2015 11:55:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The Vatican just blew any chance it had of conservatives (both Catholic and otherwise) putting any confidence in anything Pope Francis says.

He supported Davis—then, no, it was just a chance encounter (for which she was flown from Kentucky). Or, no, he was exploited by her supporters.

You see, he really ONLY met with two people, who btw just happened to be a same-sex couple.

Right...


4 posted on 10/02/2015 11:58:06 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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I( know what to believe about this guy and its not nice. He is to the Catholic CHurch as Barack Hussein Obama is to America.


5 posted on 10/02/2015 11:58:16 AM PDT by ZULU (Mt. McKinley is the tallest mountain in N. America. Denali is Aleut for "scam artist.")
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Grassi also told CNN that he believes the pope was “misled” into meeting with Davis.

Wow. Just, wow.

6 posted on 10/02/2015 12:02:51 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Philippians 2:10)
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“I was for Kim Davis before I was against her”.


7 posted on 10/02/2015 12:05:46 PM PDT by OLDCU
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National Geographic Magazine, which first reported on the e-mail exchange, added that the pope “did not disavow” what he had said about same-sex ‘marriage.’

It's hard to know what to believe here, but I am certain that I don't trust Pope Francis.

National Geographic is another Lefty wildebeest in the herd of independent minds. If they say the Pope didn't disavow his statement that the same-sex marriage campaign is from the devil, you can bet the ranch on it. As the lawyers tell you, if someone speaks "against interest," it's true about 99 percent of the time.

Okay, they want to poke a stick in CNN's eye for claiming an "exclusive" on this territory. But there are lots of other ways they could have done that.

8 posted on 10/02/2015 12:05:52 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: wagglebee

formerly gay ?
or
formerly a student ?


14 posted on 10/02/2015 12:15:17 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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1 posted on 10/2/2015, 1:54:35 PM by wagglebee: “It's hard to know what to believe here, but I am certain that I don't trust Pope Francis.”

Agreed. I have no goal — and for that matter, no motive — to defend Pope Francis. What I do know is it is unavoidable that Pope Francis must trust his local leaders, in this case the archbishop who invited Kim Davis, to implement many things. That's the same at the upper levels of politics and business: people really **ARE** policy.

I am more inclined to trust the “Inside the Vatican” magazine on issues like this than a former student of the Pope from long ago, simply because the reporter has been covering the Vatican for a very long time, he is in a position to know what is happening behind the scenes, and (for people who are not naive about ecclesiastical politics) he has a great deal more to lose than most people in this situation if his article is wrong: http://insidethevatican.com/news/letter-38-2015-kim-and-francis

Maybe what we have is a politically naive pope who just wants to be “pastoral” and is being used by others. Maybe we have something worse. Maybe we have something better, i.e., someone who is cunningly wise and has an end-game much bigger than we know on the outside. After all, the Catholic world does not revolve around the United States and the Pope does have bigger problems than worrying what Americans think of him.

We'll know much more when we see what happens to the Archbishop who invited Kim Davis. What the Pope knew about Kim Davis and when he knew it may never be known to the outside world. What is important is what actions the Pope takes next, now that he knows of the uproar.

21 posted on 10/02/2015 12:52:18 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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First the Pope was walking back his meeting with Kim Davis.

Now he's walking back his meeting with the homo's.

When will he announce he's sorry for even making the trip. And VERY sorry for meeting with Obama?

22 posted on 10/02/2015 1:06:13 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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I’ve tried to understand how and why this man became our pope, but I simply can’t.


29 posted on 10/02/2015 2:08:38 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Vatican Source: Pope Blindsided By Meeting With Controversial Kentucky Clerk


Pope Francis appears to support Kim Davis in plane interview: video


45 posted on 10/02/2015 9:42:11 PM PDT by onyx ( PLEASE HELP COMPLETE THIS FReepathon THIS MONTH!)
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Grassi also told CNN that he believes the pope was “misled” into meeting with Davis.

By who? Meeting with both would not be contradictory. The Pope is concerned with what is happening to marriage and the family, so meeting with Kim Davis would not be out of place. He also could meet with a former student without approving of his relationship.

49 posted on 10/03/2015 4:47:14 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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