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Near term Commercial Fusion Power Possible -
nextbigfuture.com ^ | 9/25/2015 | brian wang

Posted on 09/25/2015 6:28:38 PM PDT by ckilmer

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To: ckilmer

I don’t understand a headline claiming near commercial with no discussion of one of the most critical requirements of commercial operations.

Economics. At what cost? Thousands of concepts are technically feasible without being economic and therefore worthless as commercial.


21 posted on 09/25/2015 7:22:40 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: EEGator

There are not many posts that I read aloud to my wife to get a real laugh out of. That one was very funny.


22 posted on 09/25/2015 7:33:38 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Moonman62
I know it's in the popular lexicon, but strictly speaking, I would not call muon fusion "cold fusion." It isn't really a LENR requiring any mysterious or new physics. The much greater mass of the muons decreases the internuclear distance between protons in H2, allowing the Coulomb barrier to be lowered.

As you say, the production of enough muons to scale this has never been done with Q > 1.

23 posted on 09/25/2015 7:35:49 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("It appears a Kenyan has infiltrated the lumber room")
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To: Fightin Whitey; EEGator

Kevmo was invincibly ignorant. There was just no way to get through to him whatsoever. He finally lost it on JimRob — on a thread completely unrelated to LENR — and got zotted.


24 posted on 09/25/2015 7:39:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("It appears a Kenyan has infiltrated the lumber room")
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To: ckilmer

You don’t have to be a physicist....Just look at all the LENR machines running in all the countries around the world ( as promoted and promised by all the fan boys for the last three years)

Oh wait.....


25 posted on 09/25/2015 7:48:37 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: ckilmer
The next step is to create a generator that produces instant electrical energy.

Ya mean like a double A battery?

26 posted on 09/25/2015 7:55:52 PM PDT by upchuck (Drinking buddies and BFFs: Satan, nobama and the AntiChrist. Different subject: Go CRUZ!)
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To: SeeSharp

Sure, why not? Nuclear bombs do this all the time.


27 posted on 09/25/2015 7:59:54 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("It appears a Kenyan has infiltrated the lumber room")
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To: EEGator

“I want to see how bat shit crazy people can get.”

You’ve already seen who they vote for, what more do you need?


28 posted on 09/25/2015 8:05:22 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: SeeSharp; TexasGator

“instant electrical energy”

What is that? Are they saying they can produce an electric current directly from the fusion process without going through the heat->steam->generator path?
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Yes and this is about the fourth small very high powered academic or corporate team I’ve heard talk about generating electricity directly from fusion reactions of one type or another.


29 posted on 09/25/2015 8:06:03 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: EEGator

I disagreed with him but I liked Kevmo and understood where he was coming from.


30 posted on 09/25/2015 8:08:56 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: thackney

quite true. for example you could get steady net energy generation but if the cost of doing so is exorbitant—why bother?

But likely the fusion scientists will say while the point is valid—in time costs would fall.


31 posted on 09/25/2015 8:12:09 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: Vermont Lt

There are not many posts that I read aloud to my wife to get a real laugh out of. That one was very funny.
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your point would be insightful and instructive to everyone on the board—if you were first rate physicist and your dad knew edward teller—or you sat in class taught by Richard Feynman.


32 posted on 09/25/2015 8:17:13 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer
The journals cited are reputable.

The results described are intriguing, but there is no venture of a theoretical guess as to where the muons come from [and, I know it's a popularized article, but muons are not "massive electrons."]

The method of detection is in an instruments journal, not a journal of experimental physics, and as I said before there is no guess as to where the energetic muons come from: "must be a weak interaction," is not good enough. Every sophomore with his first course in quantum mechanics knows that you don't get muons without a weak decay.

At least one part of where the rabbit goes into the hat is in the production of this UDD, the energy required for this is not given...

33 posted on 09/25/2015 8:18:05 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("It appears a Kenyan has infiltrated the lumber room")
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Ultra high density (metallic) deuterium by catalytic condensation?

Has anyone brought up the possibility of leveraging a working concept to a pure fusion military type application?
If lasers can initiate a small mass (3 mg.), then it may scale larger with mere engineering. No tattletale radiation signature to detect if it is purely deuterium fueled.


34 posted on 09/25/2015 8:18:14 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Nifster

Different animal here. See

23 posted on 9/25/2015, 10:35:49 PM by FredZarguna


35 posted on 09/25/2015 8:21:44 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer

Sure as hell ain’t my old can....I can hardly spell smoak and firre.


36 posted on 09/25/2015 8:24:19 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: Moonman62

Muon catalyzed cold fusion has been around since the 1950’s, but no one has figured out how to make it net energy positive.

I think the output to input ratio has to be around 10 to 1 to be commercially viable.
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The title says

“double net energy gain has been produced and gain of 20 times is within reach”


37 posted on 09/25/2015 8:25:08 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: SeeSharp
What is that? Are they saying they can produce an electric current directly from the fusion process without going through the heat->steam->generator path?

Yes, and I know a little bit about this because this has been the plan for converting fusion byproducts into electricity for the Polywell Fusion reactor which I have been keeping up with for the last decade.

When you get high speed charged particles flying out of a nuclear reaction, you can simply put an obstacle in their path, and when they strike it, they will charge it to a high electric potential.

It's a viable system for a reaction that produces energetic charged particles rather than high speed neutrons which can only be converted into heat.

38 posted on 09/25/2015 8:30:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Zeneta

They also have 33 job openings according to their website.

This is a company to pay close attention to.
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This is solid research. Its what makes google cool. I’ll bet starting with some combination of “ small modular fusion direct to electricity” and then refining your keywords —you could find 2-4 other groups doing similiar things.

There are two that come to mind. One you’ll find by googling skunkworks fusion. the other you’ll find by googling new jersey fusion. and maybe a third by googling mit fusion


39 posted on 09/25/2015 8:31:10 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer

Be back


40 posted on 09/25/2015 8:47:12 PM PDT by thinden
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