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Police Bullets Hit Bikers During the Waco Police Shootout
The Atlantic ^ | 09/22/2015 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 09/22/2015 5:04:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

Cops in the Texas city shot motorcyclists, arrested all the witnesses, and have since prohibited them from speaking out under penalty of contempt.

Four months after a shootout left 9 bikers dead at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, prompting the arrest of 177 people, many of them presumably innocent, authorities are still denying the public access to key pieces of evidence, including video. The legal fate of arrestees still hangs in the balance. And it still isn’t known how many of the dead bikers were killed by bullets that police officers fired.

But police bullets did hit some of the bikers, the Associated Press reports after reviewing 8,800 pages of evidence apparently leaked to the news organization. “The gunfire included rounds fired by police that hit bikers, though it isn't clear whether those rifle shots caused any of the fatalities,” Emily Schmall reports. “Investigators have offered scant details about what sparked the fight or how the gunfire played out, and no one has been charged.” 18 bikers were wounded but survived the melee.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


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KEYWORDS: waco; wacobikers
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1 posted on 09/22/2015 5:04:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It isn’t clear because the police are hiding the truth about their biker ambush.


2 posted on 09/22/2015 5:07:50 AM PDT by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a fire"arm!" Sheriff Ed Galt, Last Man Standing.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What would happen if one of them talked anyway and forced the judge to jail them?


3 posted on 09/22/2015 5:08:49 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

IBTG


4 posted on 09/22/2015 5:10:12 AM PDT by kiryandil (Maya: "Liberalism Is What Smart Looks Like to Stupid People")
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To: Suz in AZ
-- What would happen if one of them talked anyway and forced the judge to jail them? --

You answered your own question there. At most, the judge would jail the leaker. But first he has to find the leaker, and somebody leaked like crazy to the press.

5 posted on 09/22/2015 5:16:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Where do the interests of justice become outweighed by the need to avoid a sense of a coverup? I am not sure that a gag order, in general, ever helps anything.

What we see in so many cases these days is a trial in the media prior to the real trial. Most of the time this is waged by defense attorneys, but there has been an alarming trend in prosecutorial public statements. The idiot state's attorney in Baltimore is a perfect and well known example. Other examples are public press releases by U.S. Attorney''s offices, detailing crime sprees and then charging the defendant with a much less serious crime.

6 posted on 09/22/2015 5:18:55 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Hugin

If it was a biker ambush, a lot more cops would have shot, and there would be a lot more dead people. You may not like the armed response, but the shooting started between the bikers.


7 posted on 09/22/2015 5:21:35 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

You were there?

How come you weren’t arrested too?


8 posted on 09/22/2015 5:26:05 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (The economic collapse is imminent. Buy staple food and OTC meds now, before prices skyrocket.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

I am taking the word of bikers, who were quoted in the first media accounts of the gun fight. Of course those bikers could be lying to protect the police.


9 posted on 09/22/2015 5:28:59 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The Atlantic? How dare you post from that criminal bikers supporting blog pimping site! /s


10 posted on 09/22/2015 5:29:13 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: T-Bone Texan

Since you were there, why don’t you tell us what happened?


11 posted on 09/22/2015 5:29:35 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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Authorities did the samething after the Murrah buliding in Okie City was blown up.
The confiscated ALL the security video from EVERY security camera in the cityand won’t release any of them to the public.
What are the authorities trying to cover up?
Authority involvement?????


12 posted on 09/22/2015 5:30:13 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sounds like the article was sourced here!


13 posted on 09/22/2015 5:30:37 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Just my opinion and only worth what you paid for it.)
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To: USNBandit

Angela Corey tried to get a gag order in the Zimmerman case too, three times!


14 posted on 09/22/2015 5:34:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
rompting the arrest of 177 people, many of them presumably innocent,

Weren't they all presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law?

15 posted on 09/22/2015 5:34:29 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: T-Bone Texan

How come you didn’t ask the poster in comment #2 if he was there and how he knew it was a police ambush?


16 posted on 09/22/2015 5:34:32 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Hugin

“It isn’t clear because the police are hiding the truth about their biker ambush.”

Header reads “police bullets hit bikers”. Well, duh. Weren’t the cops shooting AT the bikers.....


17 posted on 09/22/2015 5:39:35 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: ladyjane
I think the contention is slightly different from "presumed innocent until found guilty." The contention is rather that many were arrested and subject to the criminal prosecution apparatus, but the DA didn't have probable cause to arrest them.

Nobody has been charged yet. They stand accused, most incarcerated for about a month, most currently subject to bail conditions and out whatever it cost in out of pocket plus incidental losses (like lost job), and most will not be charged.

The presumption of innocence that attaches to trial proceedings isn't any help at all, doesn't even come into play until a person is indicted or otherwise charged with committing a crime.

18 posted on 09/22/2015 5:39:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I suspect all of them were hit by police bullets which is why the police don’t want to release any information to anyone. Perhaps the police bullets were the only bullets to leave guns. The agents provacateurs policemen in drag seem to have been outed already so their bullets cannot be claimed as biker bullets. This was, as has been said by many, surely an ambush and massacre. I wonder what stopped the police from finishing the job? Waco already has a reputation for that sort of thing, though not involving local cops.


19 posted on 09/22/2015 5:40:00 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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To: USNBandit

Were that true I don’t think there would be such tight secrecy. The secrecy indicates the prosecution and police know they were on the wrong side of this. I wonder if they think they can keep it all secret until they can figure out how to lose all the evidence or manufacture some more appropriate evidence.


20 posted on 09/22/2015 5:43:49 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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