Posted on 09/20/2015 3:55:10 PM PDT by grundle
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EPA committed fraud by declaring CO2 a pollutant!
Pretty funny the EPA fining anyone. Clearly a.case of the pot calling the kettle black.
save GM by attacking VW
One can only wonder why the tyrant is alive
I leased the car, intending and expecting to purchase it off the end of the lease. If the solution is the installation of new software, or firmware, that has the effect of meeting emissions profiles that incidentally has the effect of lowering efficiency and reducing performance, this is really going to change the demand for the car on the used market 2 years hence. I'll be sure to offer to return the car at the end of lease, and see what VW offers, certainly a much lower buyout price than established at purchase.
Heads are most likely going to roll on a high level at VW over this.
About 20 hours after the news broke - I googled “VW Class action -emissions software” and found a law firm in Vegas that was already announcing a class action suit.
Seriously, the Germans are known here in MI for their engineering arrogance and do it my way or the highway even if it blows up.
I got to give them credit for having the cohones to think they'd get away with it and or no one would check.
Love to know the difference in MPG in this de-tune vs EPA tuning. This pretty much amounts to the software tweaks the Diesel guys have been doing with their trucks for years...
Satan protects his own.
God will deal with the Tyrant in His own good time.
Psalm 37
Of David.
1
Do not fret because of those who are evil
or be envious of those who do wrong;
2
for like the grass they will soon wither,
like green plants they will soon die away.
3
Trust in the Lord and do good;
dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
4
Take delight in the Lord,
and he will give you the desires of your heart.
5
Commit your way to the Lord;
trust in him and he will do this:
6
He will make your righteous reward shine like the dawn,
your vindication like the noonday sun.
7
Be still before the Lord
and wait patiently for him;
do not fret when people succeed in their ways,
when they carry out their wicked schemes.
8
Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil.
9
For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land.
10
A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found.
11
But the meek will inherit the land
and enjoy peace and prosperity.
12
The wicked plot against the righteous
and gnash their teeth at them;
13
but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.
14
The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.
15
But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.
16
Better the little that the righteous have
than the wealth of many wicked;
17
for the power of the wicked will be broken,
but the Lord upholds the righteous.
18
The blameless spend their days under the Lord’s care,
and their inheritance will endure forever.
19
In times of disaster they will not wither;
in days of famine they will enjoy plenty.
20
But the wicked will perish:
Though the Lord’s enemies are like the flowers of the field,
they will be consumed, they will go up in smoke.
21
The wicked borrow and do not repay,
but the righteous give generously;
22
those the Lord blesses will inherit the land,
but those he curses will be destroyed.
23
The Lord makes firm the steps
of the one who delights in him;
24
though he may stumble, he will not fall,
for the Lord upholds him with his hand.
25
I was young and now I am old,
yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken
or their children begging bread.
26
They are always generous and lend freely;
their children will be a blessing.
27
Turn from evil and do good;
then you will dwell in the land forever.
28
For the Lord loves the just
and will not forsake his faithful ones.
Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed;
the offspring of the wicked will perish.
29
The righteous will inherit the land
and dwell in it forever.
30
The mouths of the righteous utter wisdom,
and their tongues speak what is just.
31
The law of their God is in their hearts;
their feet do not slip.
32
The wicked lie in wait for the righteous,
intent on putting them to death;
33
but the Lord will not leave them in the power of the wicked
or let them be condemned when brought to trial.
34
Hope in the Lord
and keep his way.
He will exalt you to inherit the land;
when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it.
35
I have seen a wicked and ruthless man
flourishing like a luxuriant native tree,
36
but he soon passed away and was no more;
though I looked for him, he could not be found.
37
Consider the blameless, observe the upright;
a future awaits those who seek peace.
38
But all sinners will be destroyed;
there will be no future[e] for the wicked.
39
The salvation of the righteous comes from the Lord;
he is their stronghold in time of trouble.
40
The Lord helps them and delivers them;
he delivers them from the wicked and saves them,
because they take refuge in him.
Everyone except five Supreme Court Justice learned that in 2nd grade.
Jury nullification time.
Again!
I’ll take one.
The class action because after the patch, the mpg goes down and so does the resale value.
The EPA will collect one BIZILLION dollars, the attorneys will only receive one half bizillion dollars.
The TDI owners will receive a certificate good for 20% off their next fill up. Only valid between 2 and 3 AM at selected locations. (Note: Locations selected to help underprivileged neighborhoods.)
How much should the EPA be fined for grossly polluting that river and messing up things for the Navahos?
A "watermelon",of course,is green on the outside and red on the inside
This is going to get VERY INTERESTING. Like it or not, the EPA and DOT has some SERIOUS TEETH here. Look for a mandatory recall to either reprogram the vehicles (and have them run like garbage), modify the vehicles (if that is even possible), or melt them down (which is what DOT does if you try to import a car without the proper paperwork).
The newer models may allow a remote software push, so unless you can get it off-line (i.e., cutting antenna lines, etc.), you may not have an option, if they are able to go with the software push.
Others that don’t comply with bringing in the car for the required modifications will simply be prohibiting from renewing their registrations.
Finally, we’re talking criminal violations - if I worked for VW, I’d be lawyering up as quickly as possible...people will be going to jail, either here or possibly in Germany.
I am pretty disappointed and disgusted in what VW did in this case if true.
I was in France a few years back, and had a Volkswagen CC TDI sedan with a 2.4L turbo-diesel. Fully packed with 4 adults and luggage, we averaged 42 MPG doing 75 MPH+ driving it around the country for a week or so.
I looked for the same car when we got back, and learned that engine was not available in the US. I pressed for an explanation, and learned that it didn’t meet EPA emission requirements. I learned also that the EPA rules looked at the amount of pollutants emitted per-gallon of fuel burnt, REGARDLESS of how many miles-per-gallon achieved.
So, for example, a car that achieved 20 MPG, and emitted X in pollutants burning 1 gallon over 20 miles would be approved by the EPA, while a car that achieved 80 MPG, and generates 2X pollutants per gallon, but only .5X in pollutants over the same 20 miles, would not be approved.
Got that? A car that generates 1/2 the pollutants in a real-world trip could be disapproved, while a lower MPG car could be approved.
I’m sure this is shocking to exactly no one here on FR - just another of the asinine EPA rules that don’t pass the logic test.
That’s not to excuse the behavior of VW here. But you have to admit it was pretty clever what they did.
The epa is full of zealots who don't believe there is any such thing as a clean diesel. VW needs to tell the epa to prove their allegations or STFU.
“I am pretty disappointed and disgusted in what VW did in this case if true.”
Same here...they (apparently) CHEATED to gain a competitive advantage, hurting employees and shareholders of other companies. I expect this to make the so-called Toyota acceleration ‘issue’ look like a walk in the park.
This is more like the Pinto gas tank controversy, where Ford calculated that the $2.00 or so per vehicle they saved by not fixing the vehicles was worth the half dozen deaths per year. And, in fact, what Ford did is more defensible than this - because these trades are always made, they just don’t get as stark as what happened here.
What did VW do to piss off Obamassiah? Nice diversion by the EPA.
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