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The Trouble with Kids Today (it's all about IQ after all)
The Federalist ^ | 9/19/15 | Murray

Posted on 09/19/2015 12:08:13 PM PDT by pabianice

...IQ has a substantial direct correlation with measures of success in life, and it is also correlated with a variety of other characteristics that promote success...

...It’s not just that the IQ gap in working-class and upper-middle-class communities has gotten wider. The life penalties associated with low IQ have risen since 1960. If you focus on the economic changes since 1960, those with low IQ have faced a labor market in which the market value of a strong back has dropped while the value of brains has soared...

...If you focus on the reforms and social programs of the 1960s, the reductions in immediate penalties for destructive behavior (e.g., doing drugs, dropping out of school, grabbing purses, having a baby without marriage) had the most effect on people who were impulsive, attracted to immediate gratification, and unable to foresee long-term consequences—qualities associated with low IQ. The effects of such changes in incentives among the smart were much smaller....


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bookreview; charlesmurray; idiocracy; intelligence; intelligencequotient; iq; robertdputnam
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To: I Hired Craig Livingstone

Certainly the article implied it. (Is this Charles Murray?)


21 posted on 09/19/2015 12:26:11 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I think you’ve been watching A Clockwork Orange one to many times.


22 posted on 09/19/2015 12:27:15 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: pabianice
All the elites in DC, from both parties, have high IQ’s.

Who damages the most people, the local ruffians or the DC elite crowd?

23 posted on 09/19/2015 12:27:58 PM PDT by donna (Pray for Revival.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Where is it even implied? I’m a working person with a MENSA level IQ and I’m not finding anything offensive or clearly incorrect.


24 posted on 09/19/2015 12:28:01 PM PDT by I Hired Craig Livingstone (DT16. Deal with it.)
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To: I Hired Craig Livingstone

Oh, no. Now the Mensa folks are weighing in. Spare me!


25 posted on 09/19/2015 12:29:22 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: miss marmelstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron


26 posted on 09/19/2015 12:30:09 PM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: BenLurkin

“Do I-phones lower IQ?”

Phones are getting smarter, and people are getting dumber.


27 posted on 09/19/2015 12:30:22 PM PDT by euram
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To: donna

Al Gore manages to be both an elite AND an idiot. And, yes, he’s causing, in his own way, just as much trouble as the local ruffians, lol.


28 posted on 09/19/2015 12:30:43 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: pabianice
That's white man's IQ test. Blacks measure their intelligence differently.

For instance, what percentage of whites are working to pay taxes. What percentage of blacks are not working and benefiting as well as many working class whites?

29 posted on 09/19/2015 12:31:02 PM PDT by oldbrowser (The kangaroos have taken over the supreme court.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Do you have a better solution(A trillion dollar “program is not an acceptable response.)? Besides in Clockwork Orange they tried conditioning techniques which were big at or near the time of the movie.) I said pharmacological means.


30 posted on 09/19/2015 12:31:22 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: miss marmelstein

You didn’t get the point of my argument apparently. I’m agreeing that being working class doesn’t mean one is dumb at all. I think you are misinterpreting what the author is saying. It’s not saying “all this kind of people are that,” just that “more of this kind of people are that than the other.”


31 posted on 09/19/2015 12:32:43 PM PDT by I Hired Craig Livingstone (DT16. Deal with it.)
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To: I Hired Craig Livingstone

My late mom was invited to join Mensa. She went twice. When I asked her why she stopped going, she said, “Pabianice, they are the most boring people I’ve ever met. All they do is talk about themselves.”


32 posted on 09/19/2015 12:34:37 PM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Perhaps bringing back jobs to this country which will employ those working class people?

Of course, I’m simply not someone who thinks everybody I meet is stupid. I don’t think the girl who sells me fries at McDonald’s is stupid. I just don’t. I respect she has a job and hope she goes up the chain of success. I find many people in these jobs to be actually quite smart.


33 posted on 09/19/2015 12:35:07 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: pabianice

The only time liberals will talk about IQ is when they are trying to get one of their pets off death row. Otherwise, talking about it is “racist.” Remember how they burned “The Bell Curve”?

Having an average or above average IQ doesn’t guaranty success in life, but it helps a lot. Having a below average IQ doesn’t necessarily mean failure. But, when you couple below average IQ with destructive personal or societal culture, it can end in disaster.


34 posted on 09/19/2015 12:35:46 PM PDT by euram
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Jews have high IQs, blacks have low IQs.

So there is a solution! Encourage Jews and blacks to intermarry. Within a few generations, the average I.Q. of blacks will rise. Unfortunately, many Jews will be on welfare and spending all their time listening to rap "music".

35 posted on 09/19/2015 12:36:19 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: pabianice

I’d never go to a Mensa meeting... I think you’d have to be a freak to WANT to go to one (your late mother excepted). The whole concept is very creepy.


36 posted on 09/19/2015 12:36:34 PM PDT by I Hired Craig Livingstone (DT16. Deal with it.)
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To: pabianice

I had a friend - a British actor who was a wiz at puzzles, a brilliant Bridge player and a member of Mensa. Sadly, he was the stupidest man I have every met in my entire life. Didn’t Christopher Hitchens take that organization down years ago??


37 posted on 09/19/2015 12:37:53 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: pabianice
If you are going to post thread about IQ....the forbidden discussion......


38 posted on 09/19/2015 12:39:29 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: oldbrowser

From that perspective, whites do have a lower IQ.


39 posted on 09/19/2015 12:41:19 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: miss marmelstein

High IQ doesn’t always equate with an ability to function well in the world. More often than not it’s a predictor of economic success, but there have always been notable exceptions.


40 posted on 09/19/2015 12:42:20 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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