Posted on 09/18/2015 12:24:46 PM PDT by HomerBohn
“By their fruit you will recognize them.” -Matthew 7:16
Rotten Fruit #1: culture war within church hierarchy
His papacy is only 2½ years old, and already Pope Francis has provoked a raging culture war within the Catholic Church.
Anthony Faiola reports for The Washington Post, Sept. 7, 2015, that rather than stake out clear stances, Francis is more subtly, often implicitly, backing liberal church leaders who are pressing for radical change, while dramatically opening the parameters of the debate over how far reforms can go. Since then, liberals have tested the boundaries of their new freedom, with one Belgian bishop going as far as calling for the Catholic Church to formally recognize same-sex couples.
In more than a dozen interviews, including with seven senior church officials, insiders say the change wrought by Francis “has left the hierarchy more polarized over the direction of the church than at any point since the great papal reformers of the 1960s.”
There is “a growing sense of alarm” about Francis among the Catholic Church’s conservative clergy, who have launched “a conservative backlash” against “the liberal momentum building inside the church.”
The conservative rebellion is taking on many guises — in public comments; in the rising popularity of conservative Catholic Web sites promoting Francis dissenters; books and promotional materials backed by conservative clerics seeking to counter the liberal trend; and leaks to the news media, aimed at Vatican reformers.
While criticism of a sitting pope is not unusual — liberal bishops on occasion challenged Francis’s predecessor, Benedict XVI — what shocks many is just how public the criticism of Francis has become. Here are some examples:
◾Wisconsin-born Cardinal Raymond Burke who, in November 2014, was demoted by Francis from his position as Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, recently told a French news crew that he would “resist” liberal changes, and called the church under Francis “a ship without a rudder.” Burke also seemed to caution Francis about the limits of his authority, saying, “One must be very attentive regarding the power of the pope. Papal power is not absolute. The pope does not have the power to change teaching [or] doctrine.”
◾A senior Vatican official said on the condition of anonymity that conservatives have been thrust unfairly into a position in which “defending the real teachings of the church makes you look like an enemy of the pope. We have a serious issue right now, a very alarming situation where Catholic priests and bishops are saying and doing things that are against what the church teaches, talking about same-sex unions, about Communion for those who are living in adultery. And yet the pope does nothing to silence them. So the inference is that this is what the pope wants.”
◾In an open letter to his diocese, Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence, R.I., wrote: “In trying to accommodate the needs of the age, as Pope Francis suggests, the Church risks the danger of losing its courageous, countercultural, prophetic voice, one that the world needs to hear.” Commenting on Francis’ call for dramatic action and a supranational new global authority on climate change, Pell told the Financial Times in July, “The church has got no mandate from the Lord to pronounce on scientific matters.”
◾In conservative circles, the word “confusion” also has become a euphemism for censuring the papacy without mentioning the pope. 500 Catholic priests in Britain drafted an open letter this year that cited “much confusion” in “Catholic moral teaching” following the bishops’ conference on the family last year in which Francis threw open the floodgates of debate, resulting in proposed language offering a new stance for divorced or gay Catholics. Although that language ultimately was watered down, it set up another showdown for next month, when senior church leaders will meet in a follow-up synod that observers predict will turn into another theological slugfest. Francis will have the final word on any changes next year.
◾Last year, five senior leaders, including Burke and Cardinal Carlo Caffarra of Bologna, Italy, drafted a “manifesto” against a possible policy change that would grant divorced and remarried Catholics the right to take Communion at Mass. In July, a DVD distributed to hundreds of dioceses in Europe and Australia, and backed by conservative Catholic clergy members, made the same point.
ROTTEN FRUIT #2: LEFT-WING GERMAN BISHOPS LEADING CHURCH TO A SCHISM
The Culture War within the church hierarchy may lead to a rupture.
Maike Hickson reports for LifeSiteNews, Sept. 8, 2015, that Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, the head of the Catholic Church’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), said German bishops are leading the Church to a schism.
According to the German newspaper Die Tagespost, Mueller criticized “a climate of the German claim to leadership for the Universal Church.” Many German bishops have declared that “life realities” must be taken into account as part of Church teaching and salvation. However, Mueller said the goal should not be “about adapting the Revelation to the world, but … about gaining the world for God.”
Mueller said that he is frequently asked why German bishops claim to be leaders of the Catholic Church — while flouting teachings on marriage and sexuality — despite overseeing dramatic reductions in church attendance, shrinking numbers of seminarians, and a drop in vocations to religious orders.
Mueller specifically identified allowing “remarried” Catholics to receive the Eucharist, as well as accepting a redefinition of marriage, as challenges to overcome. “We may not deceive the people, when it comes to the sacramentality of marriage, its indissolubility, its openness toward the child, and the fundamental complementarity of the two sexes,” he firmly stated. “Pastoral case has to keep in view the eternal salvation,” as opposed to a desire to be popular or accepted in the world.
Rotten Fruit #3: Vatican approves of iran deal
Jordan Schachtel reports for Breitbart that on Sept. 15, 2015, Archbishop Paul Gallagher, the Vatican’s chief diplomat, released a statement officially welcoming the nuclear agreement between the P5+1 world powers (U.S., UK, China, France, Russia, Germany) and Iran, stating that the Holy See believes Tehran will reduce its nuclear capabilities in exchange for sanctions relief.
Moreover, in calling for a Middle East free of nuclear weapons, the Vatican also appeared to target Israel, given that it is the lone nuclear power in the region.
H/t Fr. Michael T. Barry, who had this comment about the Vatican’s approval of the Iran deal: “What? LSD in Vatican water supply?”
Francis will arrive in Washington, D.C., on September 22.
On Sept. 23, he will be welcomed to the White House by Obama, who, in a supreme “F-you” gesture to the Church, has invited to the meeting with Francis a freak-show of opponents of traditional Catholic teachings, including a pro-abortion nun, a transgender woman transvestite, the first openly-homosexual Episcopal bishop, and two “Catholic” homosexual activists.
Has it never occurred to you, my respected friend, that if you were pope (bear with me in this absurd example) the Washington Post would quote everything you said about Ruth Ginsberg, "Fabulous" Fanning, the UN, the RAF, and the Brewster Buffalo --- edited toward two ends, either to make you sound foolish, OR edited to make it sound like you agreed with them ---- and wouldn't quote a single thing you said about Jesus Christ Our Lord?
I guess I got to you enough that you wanted to research my posts in an attempt to use that against me. That seems to be a trend. I was recently the target iof a Left Wing blog that went after me, but as a former military pilot I know that if you are not taking flak, you are not over the target.
The Devil mixes truth with lies. Your "pope" does the same thing.
Look at this video. It is just a few seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cREBiH2QAkU
Did you see that? Your "pope" just denied the Divinity of Jesus Christ! And that is who you follow? You are not a sister in Christ to me. You are the same as the people who opposed Moses and Paul - and are destined for the pit.
Father Malachi Martin, who spoke 14 languages and was one of the last Catholics I respected, said in plain terms that there are Satanic worship in the Roman church (he said this years ago) and now Luciferian practices and veneration are the norm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPDs2YajSSs
I really am perplexed. What did you think those 7 links, with the 15 paragraph excerpts, were about?
Again, I read them. Don't get so excited - because it is also clear that you won't respond to my links and postings. That is without dispute. You pick and choose, and ignore facts. It is what you do.
So you really still believe that Jorge is a man of God? In your links, he denies his true intentions.
Here are many links that show who and what he is. Jorge does not really believe Jesus is the only way to Salavation. He said it is NOT! Do you want me to repeat the link I sent to you? He can lie all he wants with fodder for the uneducated and the idiotic.
And your response will be........? Ignore them. I know you by now.
Antipope Francis’ Recent Heresies
https://harvestingthefruit.com/category/blog/
http://www.endtime.com/endtime-magazine-articles/pope-francis-false-prophet/
http://nationalreport.net/pope-francis-followers-koran-holy-bible/
And one of the best sources:
The Sayings of Pope Francis Vs. The Bible
One more comment: your 8-second video clip, Pope Francis says the same thing about Jesus that Jesus Himself said:
Luke 24:39-40
"Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me to have.” And when He had thus spoken, He showed them His hands and His feet."
As a Catholic, Pope Francis professes that Jesus is True God and True Man, a divine Person with both a divine and a human nature. This is what is meant by the Hypostatic Union (LINK). This is what Pope Francis and every other historic Christian professes every time we say the Nicene Creed.
If you think a 8-second sound clip shows otherwise, you are very much mistaken.
Actually, I don't believe you are.
Good bye, and God bless you.
It was a screed. It listed all the lies and falsehoods by Jorge.
And if you really care of "EVIDENCE", you would have commented on the numerous links I sent you that documented that Jorge is an enemy of Jesus Christ.
But you don't have the courage to do that. 
By the way, what blackmail did Jorge use? I really would like to know.
You cannot position yourself as “above it all.” Pretty soon you will be posting your propaganda again here, and I will challenge you.
Wrong. Jesus Christ is THE ROCK. Catholics have that scripture totally wrong. All through Scripture Christ is a “stone of stumbling”, or the Rock. Christ is the Rock mentioned here, not the Peter.
And P.S. Peter HAS NOT THRONE. Only The Father sites on the throne in Heaven at this time. Jesus sits at His right hand. NOT Peter. And it will never be Peter.
The Bible says that EVERYONE has it written in them a knowledge of a Creator. Thus, that person in the jungle as you say, does have knowledge of a Creator God. Simple as that. That is why Jesus will be able to judge EVERYONE who ever lived on this planet either at the Great White Throne or Bema Seat. We will make a choice of which that will be. What you may believe will determine yours also.
CALM DOWN, calm down.....take a chill pill, everything will be O.K. The church is doing just fine, has, with minor glitches (revolutions) for 2015 years and will continue to do so until the end of time....remember His promise?????
God gave us a calmative: Sedevacantist Churches in which we can bide our time left on eart. So, this doesn’t mean that we should just sit down and hope it goes away. Catholics must be proactive.
Remember, The Roman Catholic Church isn’t part of the mod scene. Jesus doesn’t wear Nikes and Catholic means universal. That meant one could go to mass in Paris and understand what was happening....and it was something mystical and divine.
“Upon this rock (Peter) I will build my Church.....”
"... blame everything on the "Jewish conspiracy" and believe the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is 100% for real."
Provide one stitch of evidence that anyone currently in the Roman Catholic hierarchy or administration believes the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." I find this totally unworthy of credibility.
And I mean evidence, not accusation.
Please forgive this late reply.
I notice that you provided only the very end of my quote. The original was referring specifically to "traditionalist" Catholics (ie, Sedevacantists and Feeneyites). I assure you that those two groups most assuredly believe in a "Jewish conspiracy" and in the Protocols. All you have to do is peruse their web sites. While I will not soil FR with links, I will provide them to you privately if you wish. Or at least I can assure you that the St. Benedict Center and Tradition in Action certainly do believe in both of those things.
The first part of my quote, which you cut off, was referring to mainstream "orthodox" Catholics such as yourself and most Catholics on FR. These are too liberal, for the most part subscribing to both higher criticism of the Bible and to cosmic evolution. This surely needs no proof, as the opinions of your fellow Catholics, articles in mainstream publications, and (perhaps) your own beliefs will testify.
Here is the problem of Catholicism: one has two choices--liberalism, or anti-Semitic conspiracism. There appears to be no middle ground. When faced with a choice between papolatrous Assisi ecumenism and the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on one hand and Robert Sungenis or the St. Benedict Center on the other, there is obviously no place in this religion for anyone from a Fundamentalist Protestant background--period.
I'm a little disappointed that you cherry-picked my quote.
Sedevacantists and Feenyites who do not acknowledge themselves as ecclesiastic subjects of the Pope, are not Catholic. You really can't attribute to Catholicism the antics of ex-Catholics and anti-Catholics.
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