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NYT/CBS Poll: Carson, Trump in Statistical Dead Heat
Newsmax ^ | september 15, 2015 | Cathy Burke

Posted on 09/15/2015 6:54:50 AM PDT by Hojczyk

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To: Hojczyk
Pure bullshit.

Pure Jeb.

Team Jebs’ Newest Strategy – Push Ben Carson?…

141 posted on 09/15/2015 8:20:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: M1911A1

Could be.

Man, I’ve spent my whole life trying to avoid that.


142 posted on 09/15/2015 8:22:01 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: grania

>> he’s against everything we believe in <<

Everything? Making an exaggeration like that does not advance your cause.

On the other hand, after hearing Carson interviewed on the radio the other day, it seems to me that the good doctor is terribly ill-prepared for the race, and he may not even know where he stands on some of the issues. His current “aw shucks” attitude is not going to serve him well for the long haul. I think that if he doesn’t get his act together soon, he’ll fade away after a few months.


143 posted on 09/15/2015 8:22:34 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Lazamataz

THERE IT IS! Thanks for posting that. I’ve mentioned that this strategy was out there.


144 posted on 09/15/2015 8:23:53 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: DoughtyOne

“It would be virtually impossible for him to have this much following, and yet it not show up in some way. It hasn’t.’

Unless...his handlers and backers own the media outright.


145 posted on 09/15/2015 8:24:10 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Dr. Sivana

I like Carson but other than a few good lines, he hasn’t given me a reason to believe he would be a good president.

I believe the two most important issues facing this nation right now are JOBS and IMMIGRATION. I am not a huge fan of Trump but he wins both those debates over Carson.


146 posted on 09/15/2015 8:24:33 AM PDT by boycott
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To: sitetest
Oh, and let me add that I don't really approve of either man's plan. I prefer to get rid of all illegals. Period. No guest workers. But the only candidate who has suggested that, even in the abstract, is Walker. And I'd prefer him above any other candidate, except that his candidacy is a little moribund right now.
147 posted on 09/15/2015 8:26:03 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

I don’t think he puts too much reliance in them, hence barrage of press conferences and stump speeches in large venues. He’s probably smart enough to know to hit the gas pedal and don’t let up.


148 posted on 09/15/2015 8:27:06 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; Enlightened1

Here is your answer re tariffs, with props to a freeper (Enlightened1) FAR more knowledgeable on the subject than I am:

Our Republic since its inception had tariffs in it all the way up until 1996.

Every president from George Washington up to Bill Clinton had tariffs. We were the leaders of the free world and became a Super Power.

So according to Edmund all the previous Presidents were all “Protectionist” and this was bad for the United States. In other words the United States was on the wrong path from 1787 to 1996. That’s why he calls people “protectionist”.

What is the opposite of the word protection? Here are some words for you.

Unprotected, exposed, threat, danger, insecurity, uncertainty, harm, injury, destruction, doubt and attack.

So wanting to protect the Untied States, from being unprotected, exposed, threat, danger, insecurity, uncertainty, harm, injury, destruction, doubt, attack, etc...., to be the leaders of the free world and the loan super power is a bad thing...... according to Edmund, the Clinton’s, the Bush’s and Obama.

Edmund likes to mention Reagan....
You do know that Reagan told Japan and European car companies they can avoid tariffs if you build your car plants here in the United States. Reagan used tariffs as advantage to bring jobs to the United States. Guess what Toyotta, BMW, etc... all came here.

So don’t let Edmund confuse you about Reagan’s position on this.
Free trade is only good IF everyone is playing by the same rules. Right now here are the facts.

1) The United States STILL PAYS TARIFFS while at the very same time China and Mexico do not. How is that fair?

2) China can manipulate currency with no type of punishment. How is that fair?

3) China, Mexico and the rest of the world are exempt from federal regulations while U.S. companies have to comply ONLY in the United States.

4) United States companies pay a higher capital gains in order to encourage them to leave the United States. That way we can import lower prices. How is that fair?

5) We import Engineers from China and India to replace American workers at lower cost. Google what Disney did recently to their I.T. department. The American workers had to train their foreign replacements , here in the United States for 1/3 the cost. While at the same time we export Engineer students from M.I.T., Georgia Tech, etc... to places like China and India.

6) In addition we now have open borders(never done before until this year, and allow illegal immigrants to welfare, free housing, free health care and free education. No other country in the world does this except us. This is being done in order to drive wages down.

This is what guys like Edmund, Obama, the Bush’s and the Clinton’s think is great for America.

If you are still not certain, then ask yourself this question?

Was the United States a stronger country with tariffs from 1945 to 1996 than without tariffs from 1997 to 2015?’


149 posted on 09/15/2015 8:28:09 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: DoughtyOne

Nope. Carson is Carson. Trump is Hitlery.


150 posted on 09/15/2015 8:29:28 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Right now, I’m a Trump supporter. But you lay out some very good points.


151 posted on 09/15/2015 8:32:09 AM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

>> be wary of a sheep in lambs clothing <<

I like it! Now I’ll support DT for sure!


152 posted on 09/15/2015 8:32:21 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Tulane

Ben Carson is lukewarm on abortion, pro-amnesty, and has been silent on the major issues facing traditional family values until he see which direction the wind is blowing.

CRUZ 2016


153 posted on 09/15/2015 8:32:59 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: M1911A1

Ever since the first debate, Fox has been circling the wagons against Trump. No need to call them “Fox NEWS Channel any longer, because they’ve stopped reporting the news.

Tomorrow is the second debate:

Wednesday, September 16, 2015
CNN Republican Primary Debate (Live Stream)
6pm ET / 3pm PT - First round debate
8pm ET / 5pm PT - Second round primetime debate
Aired On: CNN and Salem Radio
Location: Reagan Library in Simi Valley, CA
Sponsors: Reagan Library Foundation, CNN, Salem Media Group
Moderator(s): Jake Tapper, Dana Bash and Hugh Hewitt
Rules: Split field into Segment B (primetime) and Segment A (remaining candidates getting at least 1% in polls) (Details)

Candidates 6pm: Santorum, Jindal, Pataki, Graham

Candidates 8pm: Trump, Bush, Walker, Huckabee, Carson, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Christie, Kasich, Fiorina

Read more at http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-republican-primary-debate-schedule/#OuI5bEL0LlZxrFpr.99


154 posted on 09/15/2015 8:33:33 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sitetest

Then why is Carson supporting Hillary’s immigration plan, and Trump supporting our immigration plan?

You can spout that stuff all day long. One simply question reveals the truth of it.

To make that comment of yours, you have to believe that Hillary agrees with Trump’s platform.

She doesn’t.


155 posted on 09/15/2015 8:37:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: boycott
I like Carson but other than a few good lines, he hasn’t given me a reason to believe he would be a good president.

I believe the two most important issues facing this nation right now are JOBS and IMMIGRATION. I am not a huge fan of Trump but he wins both those debates over Carson.


I don't have the same priority list, and a topic like "JOBS" affords more than one political approach that can be described as conservative.

I am not big on scorched earth campaigns against non-establishment conservatives. Whatever gripes people may have against Walker, it is ludicrous to call him establishment in the same way that John Ellis Bush is establishment. Cruz has also openly accused Senate leadership of lying on the Floor in the Senate. That is serious pushback, so he is not really exstablishment the way John Ellis Bush is. Carson has never sought political office, and has no familial connections, so he falls into that category as well.

So, out of the 16 candidates, there's a half dozen that I may not support, but wouldn't dream of attacking in a way to discredit them. One, because it wouldn't be honest. Two, because we need to stop punishing people who are willing to enetr the arena, even if they are imperfect. Three, we must save our fire for teh ROMNEYs and JOHN ELLIS BUSHES of teh world.
156 posted on 09/15/2015 8:38:01 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: mmichaels1970

It does smell a bit of collusion for sure.

Trump see’s all of this I’m certain. He will use to his advantage like he does with the other spitwads they throw at him.


157 posted on 09/15/2015 8:40:03 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

I agree with what you’re saying but I’m just sick and tired of the debates turning into Trump ambushes. That’s the only reason Huge Hewitt was picked, to ask Trump gotcha questions and hopefully get him to embarrass himself. The debate will start out by Hewitt asking Trump what’s wrong with Fiorina’s looks and the silliness and BS will start from there. No debate of the issues, just more BS from the moderators, picking and choosing who they want to try and knock out. By the way Ben Carson will not be asked any tough questions. His stance on immigration, foreign policy, stem cell research, etc. will be ignored. To call these staged events debates is ridiculous.


158 posted on 09/15/2015 8:40:11 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: DoughtyOne

Carson supports Carson’s plan. Secure the border, all illegals must register within six months and be self-supporting. No govt benefits. Criminals have to leave. Immigrants have to keep a “pristine record.”

I happen to disagree. Through enforcement of e-verify, I would look for self-deportation and aim to get rid of all the illegals. Both trump and Carson are too liberal on this issue.


159 posted on 09/15/2015 8:45:58 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

You’re just blowing smoke.

The Conservative position has always been to return the illegals to their home nations and then let them get in line and go through the process.

That is exactly what Trump is doing.

Carson’s plan is identical to Hillary’s plan.

You can reference it as “Carson being Carson” all you like, but the tenets are identical.

You did at least have it half right. Carson is too Liberal on this one.

Trump’s is the Conservative blueprint lock stock and barrel.

This is pretty obvious. It’s rather telling that you can’t admit it.


160 posted on 09/15/2015 8:50:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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