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To: rikkir

You are basically arguing that your salvation is based on works, rather than the grace of Jesus. There is not a Bible verse that condemns someone for suicide, or any other commandment.

Suicide is nothing more than yet more concrete proof that you were a sinner, and that you needed his salvation. There is no biblical proof that when Jesus cleaned your slate, that you now have to seek new unique forgiveness for every new sin afterwards. That is where purgatory, indulgences, etc, comes from.

Jesus said nothing of the sort, that’s a man made doctrine that arose when some early Christian cults began the suicide thinking as a way to quickly join God.


36 posted on 09/08/2015 10:23:43 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but comSUrfmunists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

If you have faith in Christ, you don’t choose to end the life He gave you.

Paul talks about running a race, to the end, about persevering... The error is think it is either faith or works, when they cannot be separated.

“Christians have often disputed as to whether what leads the Christian home is good actions, or faith in Christ … it does seem to me like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most necessary.”

C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity


38 posted on 09/08/2015 10:29:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: DesertRhino

“You are basically arguing that your salvation is based on works, rather than the grace of Jesus.
That is where purgatory, indulgences, etc, comes from.”

I don’t believe any of that. Not in any way shape or form.

I believe when you die, your soul departs this world bound for one of two places.

I can say I believe in Christ, I can accept that he died to “clean my slate, as you say, but what good did my acceptance bring, if I continue to dirty up the slate again.

You say there is no direct scripture that requires forgiveness for sins after acceptance, but doesn’t Jesus tell us to recite the Lord’s Prayer, and isn’t one of the lines in the Prayer to God “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...” Trespasses meaning sins.

I mean that’s just one of many examples of Jesus teaching us that He has expectations of us beyond even the Ten Commandments.

Again, not arguing for the sake of arguing, but to me, accepting Christ without realizing I am still a sinner, and asking everyday for His guidance to not be, and His forgiveness for not living up to the example He set seems like a “convenient Faith”. Mine requires daily work, and constant understanding of displeasing God with actions (sins) He disapproves of.


52 posted on 09/08/2015 11:04:03 PM PDT by rikkir (You can lead a horde to knowledge but you can't make them think. (TnkU ctdonath2))
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To: DesertRhino

“Forgive us our trespasses”...
I believe that may be Biblical.

I am sorry for the loss of the man. When I “fall short” & then repent...
I try to find someone I can help. I am not “Catholic” so I don’t consider
It “pennance”...perhaps it is self-help therapy...or ...I have watched
“Ground Hog Day” too many times.


54 posted on 09/08/2015 11:07:37 PM PDT by DavidLSpud ("Go and sin no more"-Rejoice always, pray continually...)
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