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Republicans Wary of Donald Trump’s Populist Tone on Taxes
New York Times ^ | 8/31/2016 | Allan Rappeport

Posted on 08/31/2015 1:28:22 PM PDT by rickyrikardo

In recent weeks, Mr. Trump has threatened to impose tariffs on American companies that put their factories in other countries. He has threatened to increase taxes on the compensation of hedge fund managers. And he has vowed to change laws that allow American companies to benefit from cheaper tax rates by using mergers to base their operations outside the United States.

Alarmed that those ideas might catch on with some of Mr. Trump’s Republican rivals — as his immigration policies have — the Club for Growth, an anti-tax think tank, is pulling together a team of economists to scrutinize his proposals and calculate the economic impact if he is elected.

“All of those are anti-growth policies,” said David McIntosh, the president of the Club for Growth, a group that Republican candidates routinely court. “Yes he’s a businessman, but if those are the policies he implements, they’ll drive the economy into the ground and we’ll see huge drops in G.D.P., and frankly I think it would lead to massive loss of jobs.”

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To: rickyrikardo

I’m for a flat tax that charges the same rate on income whether it’s earned by labor or by investment. I don’t see why the government should punish or encourage one more than the other. They shouldn’t be in the business of engineering the economy or picking winners and losers.

Some of the loopholes these companies go through to get their operations based offshore look like ridiculous accounting gimmicks. I don’t know what the cause or solution to that is, but it should not be happening. However, I don’t understand why a “company” should be taxed at all. When income goes to an individual, that’s what should be taxed. If a company earns revenue or profits, why should that be taxes before it is paid out to an individual? If that’s what the corporate tax rate is, them it should be abolished.


21 posted on 08/31/2015 1:46:07 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

SIGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH....

Trump is asking for a tax structure which is MUCH lower than the present one, albeit still internally progressive. As in 15% max. The “rich soaking” is relative within that structure. It is something like a 50% tax CUT compared with present rates.

He is taking a daring bet on Laffer curve theory (he’s actually been advised by Art Laffer).


22 posted on 08/31/2015 1:46:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: rickyrikardo

“I agree with Trump. Tax increases are not always bad.”

Tariffs were extremely effective for the United States in the 19th Century. They protected fledgling US industry from dumping by European manufacturers. In fact the high tariffs fully funded the federal government. During that period of high tariffs the US went from a primitive agricultural nation to the most powerful industrial economy in the world. It developed a strong middle class and the highest standard of living for its people.

Contrast with the modern era. Since 1990 when “free trade agreements” resulted in the elimination of tariffs, and offshoring of much of US manufacturing, the standard of living for the average American family has declined, wealth disparity has increased, and the middle class has shrunk.


23 posted on 08/31/2015 1:47:24 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

You need to wake up to history, the founding fathers were protectionist extraordinaire.


24 posted on 08/31/2015 1:48:18 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TheTimeOfMan
What we need is responsibly managed trade. That means putting tariffs on countries where we run a trade deficient and allowing countries that run a trade deficit with us to put tariffs on our goods.

That's silly. If a country is doing a better job producing great products that Americans want to buy, and hence we import more from them than they do from us, neither we nor they should be punished for it.

If a country puts up tariffs to punish us, then it's okay to use tariffs against them in retaliation, but with the hope that they would back down and we could get rid of all the tariffs.

25 posted on 08/31/2015 1:48:45 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: rickyrikardo

We don’t have a deficit/debt problem in this country because we aren’t taxed enough. It’s because government spends too much. End EVERY transfer of funds to individuals, no matter how “vital” it may seem. It’s stealing, pure and simple.


26 posted on 08/31/2015 1:49:53 PM PDT by upsdriver (Palin/West)
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To: JediJones
When income goes to an individual, that’s what should be taxed.

When it comes down to it, a Free Traitor™ will always choose individual income taxes over tariffs and/or a NRST.

27 posted on 08/31/2015 1:50:47 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JediJones
If a country puts up tariffs to punish us, then it's okay to use tariffs against them in retaliation, but with the hope that they would back down and we could get rid of all the tariffs.

News flash, every country (except Singapore) places protective tariffs on imports from the USA.

28 posted on 08/31/2015 1:52:33 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

My comment was based on the content of the posts on this thread. Not on any detailed analysis of Trump’s plan.


29 posted on 08/31/2015 1:52:56 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JediJones

Donald Trump explained that the flat tax doesn’t work.

““I don’t like where everybody’s paying the same. If I make a billion dollars, and somebody else is making a hundred, and he’s paying ten dollars and I’m paying — to me, I don’t know. I like somewhat of a graduation.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/12/trump-people-can-pay-a-higher-percentage-in-taxes-as-they-make-more/


30 posted on 08/31/2015 1:53:09 PM PDT by rickyrikardo
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To: rickyrikardo

Anything that helps middle class taxes annoys the republican elites. They love the cheap labor express of legal & illegal immigrants, H1-B visa’s increased 5-fold, and tax cuts for the top 1%.


31 posted on 08/31/2015 1:55:11 PM PDT by entropy12 (Trump is incorruptible. He is the only one who can run a campaign without rich donors.)
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To: rickyrikardo

A person making $100 per week needs that $10 for food money. If you tax him $10, then he will get more in food stamps to make up.


32 posted on 08/31/2015 1:57:11 PM PDT by entropy12 (Trump is incorruptible. He is the only one who can run a campaign without rich donors.)
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To: rickyrikardo
"“All of those are anti-growth policies,” said David McIntosh, the president of the Club for Growth, a group that Republican candidates routinely court."

Whose growth - the greedy? A middle class Trump will let me vote Republican again.

33 posted on 08/31/2015 1:59:47 PM PDT by ex-snook (To conquer use Jesus, not bombs.)
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To: rickyrikardo; All
As a side note to this thread, please consider the following. I don’t think that either the Club for Growth or Trump are aware of the Supreme Court’s clarification of Congress’s limited power to lay taxes, Congress limited to appropriating taxes mainly to fulfill its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited power duties.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

So patriots who support Trump need to get him up to speed on Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes and work with patriots to exercise their voting muscle to peacefully force corrupt Congress back into its Section 8-limited power cage.

Note that a big part of the reason for unconstitutional federal government spending is the following imo. The corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Senate is not doing its job to protect the states, as Founding States had intended for it to do, by not killing unconstitutional House appropriations bills, bills which Congress cannot justify under Section 8.

The ill-conceived 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and corrupt senators along with it.

34 posted on 08/31/2015 2:02:11 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Longbow1969

Not me! We cannot, and never could, compete with third world slave labor controlled by corrupt Marxist dictators. Personally, I am all in favor of raising tariffs to level the playing field. Indeed, in the interest of national defense, we need to do so. What do you think is going to happen if we are ever forced into another world war with our industrial infrastructure gone? What we have done is utter insanity. The sooner we bring our industrial base back, put our own people back to work, and protect our own markets the better. There will come a point when this drain of capital and infrastructure will destroy us, we are already quite crippled.


35 posted on 08/31/2015 2:16:20 PM PDT by erkelly
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To: headstamp 2

The establishment GOP has absolutely no credibility on this issue anymore.

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The establishment GOP has no credibility on ANYTHING anymore.


36 posted on 08/31/2015 2:28:06 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: rickyrikardo

i’ll take my chances...

A little history lesson: If you don’t know the answer make your best guess Answer all the questions before looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) “(We) ... can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.”

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own ... in order to create this common ground.”

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D None of the above

5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005

Be afraid. Be very, very afraid and vote
Anybody (woman) that would vote for her just because she has a vagina and they think it’s time for a female president has got to be out of their lunatic mind!


37 posted on 08/31/2015 2:31:18 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

You must be playing ostrich. Trump has proposed lowering corporate taxes. I think tariffs on countries where the trade is uneven isn’t a bad idea.


38 posted on 08/31/2015 2:45:38 PM PDT by Catsrus (The Great Wall of Trump - coming to a southern border near you.)
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To: rickyrikardo

“I agree with Trump. Tax increases are not always bad. “

If the scum of the country club sell out then by god they should shell out. No body denies that rich libs should pay more taxes but given the fecklessness, duplicity and out right treachery of our Republican C of C brainiacs obviously they are just as maybe even more deserving then the gentry libs.


39 posted on 08/31/2015 3:00:34 PM PDT by amnestynone (Political Correction is a tactic based social intimidation to suppress opposing views.)
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To: Longbow1969

Tax penalties for ditching American soil to exploit slave labor a bad thing? Since when?


40 posted on 08/31/2015 3:03:27 PM PDT by formerRepublicant
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