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To: WilliamIII
during former President George W. Bushs attempt to privatize the program Attempt? I remember a couple of weak speeches without specifics and then a quick retreat when he got some pushback.
2 posted on
08/29/2015 7:37:47 PM PDT by
KarlInOhio
(The 1st amendment is the voice and the 2nd is the teeth of freedom. Obama wants to knock out both.)
To: WilliamIII
Doesn’t matter whether Americans like SS or not.
In it’s current form, it’s unsustainable
3 posted on
08/29/2015 7:38:08 PM PDT by
LMAO
(#BlackLivesMatterWhenItsForPoliticalPoints)
To: WilliamIII
13 posted on
08/29/2015 7:51:05 PM PDT by
onona
(something pithy this way comes)
To: WilliamIII
I heard today that Ben Carson wants to raise the retirement age. That’s fine if you work a government desk job. Try telling a waitress or a roofer that they have to work until 70 before they can start to get some of their money back.
18 posted on
08/29/2015 7:51:56 PM PDT by
Hugin
("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt)
To: WilliamIII
Two years ago a study of the policy preferences of the very wealthy found many contrasts with the views of the general public; as you might expect, the rich are politically different from you and me.I thought Krugman was rich. Go figure,
To: WilliamIII
(1) The retirement program is, of course, both extremely popular and a long-term target of conservatives, (2) who want to kill it precisely because its popularity helps legitimize government action in general. Wrong on two counts.
1. Republicans don't want to kill it because it's popular. They want to kill it because the funds are abused by big spending government hacks.
The funds are not put in an interest bearing account. They are spent as quick as they come in on just about anything under the sun.
Further, a privatized Social Security system would end the government exposure to unfunded mandates.
Further, a privatized Social Security plan done right, would cover retirement, medical care, and have a number of other perks tossed in that could improve the lives of those with the new plan.
2. Nobody in their right mind today, things the current government plan is something to be pointed at proudly.
25 posted on
08/29/2015 8:01:42 PM PDT by
DoughtyOne
(It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
To: WilliamIII
Sec Sec should be private like in Chile..
30 posted on
08/29/2015 8:10:59 PM PDT by
hosepipe
(This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
To: WilliamIII
Trump with an endorsement from that noted conservative Paul Krugman.....
33 posted on
08/29/2015 8:15:18 PM PDT by
C. Edmund Wright
(WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
To: WilliamIII
The Establishment wants to end Social Security so they can use our tax money to support another 20 million illeagals.
35 posted on
08/29/2015 8:21:11 PM PDT by
GOPJ
(Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE)
To: WilliamIII
36 posted on
08/29/2015 8:25:03 PM PDT by
GOPJ
(Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE)
To: WilliamIII
I don’t always agree with Paul Krugman.
But I think he is right in many ways the political establishment is beholden to the wealthiest individuals.
They support corporate welfare for powerful corporations that don’t really need it but want to cut Social Security benefits.
As you can imagine, they’re deeply loathed by average Americans.
Who rightly think they don’t represent them.
And for the record, Social Security is not welfare, its an earned benefits retirement program. People work all their lives to save for their retirement.
Its often their own only source of income and I’m repelled by politicians who say they should wait longer for what is rightfully their money.
No wonder the Republican Party has a brand image problem with middle and working class Americans. Its not standing by their side.
You don’t have to like Trump’s populism to understand few care if the rich pay more in taxes.
37 posted on
08/29/2015 8:25:07 PM PDT by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: WilliamIII
We don’t need any advise from Krugman
38 posted on
08/29/2015 8:26:20 PM PDT by
CPT Clay
To: WilliamIII
The Dems are the ones who keep cutting social security.
Then they tax it.
To: WilliamIII
Social Security was intended as an insurance plan not a retirement plan.
It was a socialist plan for everyone to contribute to a fund that would provide a pension for those unfortunates that outlived their resources.
Crooked politicians, longevity due to medical advances, and declining birthrates have wrecked the system.
40 posted on
08/29/2015 8:33:20 PM PDT by
oldbrowser
(The kangaroos have taken over the supreme court.)
To: WilliamIII
Paul Krugman ,columnist for the
New York Times, wrote:
" ... The retirement program is, of course, both extremely popular and a long-term target of conservatives, who want to kill itprecisely because its popularity helps legitimize government action in general.
As the right-wing activist Stephen Moore (now chief economist of the Heritage Foundation) once declared,Social Security is the soft underbelly of the welfare state; jab your spear through that and you can undermine the whole thing.
But that was a decade ago, during former President George W. Bushs attempt to privatize the program, and what Bush learned was that the underbelly wasnt that soft after all.
Despite the political momentum from the GOPs victory in the 2004 election, despite support from much of the media establishment, the assault on Social Security crashed and burned.
Voters, it turns out, like Social Security as it is and dont want it cut.
Mixing LIES with truth is an often used tactic of Democ
RATS. If it was really so popular, the WHY is Galveston Texas still refusing to give up their private retirement system, that they had to option
to set up and 'opt out' of Social Security ?
The government raiding of the fictions 'Lock Box' is WHY the Social Security Trust Fund is in such terrible shape.
But let's REMEMBER WHO BROKE the Social Security System !
Only idiots and the evil voted for Obama, or ANY of the Democrats.
They've lied to us, constantly, and really are
"Collapsing the System". And now, these "Useful IDIOTS" who voted for them, are buying the lies that "Obamacare was designed to work." ?
It was designed to fail from the start.
THEN ... THEY GO TO THE
"SINGLE-PAYER SYSTEM".
They've been sucking our wallets dry for over four years now on the "Obamacare" LIE.
AND NOW THEY WANT MORE TAXES ?
Our Founding Fathers would have hung them already!
Lets review:
Who was it that cut future funding for Medicare by $575 billion?
...the president and the Democratic Party successfully bamboozle voters... The 2012 election could turn on this falsehood.
The truth is that the Obama health law reduces future funding for Medicare by $575 billion over the next 10 years ...
Mr. Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius frequently make that false claim.
Indeed, even Medicare's mailings to seniors repeat the claim that reducing spending on Medicare will make it more financially secure for future years.
The fact is that Mr. Obama's law raids Medicare.
Who was it that moved Medicare Trust Funds out of the "trust box" and into the General Revenue, replacing them with Government I.O.U.s?
Who was it that expanded Medicare and Medicaid to cover many, many more people than it was originally designed to cover?
The History of Medicare
In 1965, the Social Security Act established both Medicare and Medicaid. Medicare was a responsibility of the Social Security Administration (SSA), while Federal assistance to the State Medicaid programs was administered by the Social and Rehabilitation Service (SRS). SSA and SRS were agencies in the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW). In 1977, the Health Care Financing Administration was created under HEW to effectively coordinate Medicare and Medicaid. In 1980 HEW was divided into the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).
The first U.S. President to propose a prepaid health insurance plan was Harry S. Truman [DEMOCRAT]. On November 19, 1945, in a special message to Congress, President Truman outlined a comprehensive, prepaid medical insurance plan for all people through the Social Security system. The plan included doctors and hospitals, and nursing, laboratory, and dental services; it was dubbed "National Health Insurance." Furthermore, medical insurance benefits for needy people were to be financed from Federal revenues.
Over the years, lawmakers narrowed the field of health insurance recipients largely to social security beneficiaries. A national survey found that only 56 percent of those 65 years of age or older had health insurance. President John F. Kennedy [DEMOCRAT] pressed legislators for health insurance for the aged. However, it wasn't until 1965 that President Lyndon B. Johnson signed H.R. 6675 (The Social Security Act of 1965; PL 89-97) to provide health insurance for the elderly and the poor.
On July 30, 1965, President Johnson signed the Medicare and Medicaid Bill (Title XVIII and Title XIX of the Social Security Act) in Independence, Missouri in the presence of former President Truman, who received the first Medicare card at the ceremony; Lady Bird Johnson, Vice-President Hubert Humphrey, and Mrs. Truman also were present. President Johnson remarked: "We marvel not simply at the passage of this Bill but that it took so many years to pass it."
Medicare extended health coverage to almost all Americans aged 65 or older. About 19 million beneficiaries enrolled in Medicare in the first year of the program. Medicaid provided access to health care services for certain low-income persons and expanded the existing Federal-State welfare structure that assisted the poor.
The 1972 Social Security Amendments expanded Medicare to provide coverage to two additional high risk groups disabled persons receiving cash benefits for 24 months under the social security program and persons suffering from end-stage renal disease.
...(continued at link)
So Democrats,
Sen Mark Kirk's
statement Thursday, Dec 1, 2011 ...
"There are 55 million Social Security beneficiaries that will see little or no extra cash from this 2012 tax holiday; instead, the dedicated payroll contributions meant to pay for future benefits are being diverted from the Trust Fund
and replaced with Treasury debt that does not even have a AAA credit rating.
Social Security was designed to be independent and free from the danger of Congressional manipulation,
and maintaining the firewall between the Social Security Trust Fund and general government funding is the best way to maintain the solvency of this important program.
Neither bill protects the Social Security Trust Fund
so I voted no. "
It's not our fault that
DEMOCRATS raided the Social Security Trust Fund. Let's remember ...
Not ALL are to blame for the empty lock box.
It's the Democrats Communists.
Let's take a deeper look.
Okay, then the DEMOCRATS need to shut up!!!
44 posted on
08/29/2015 8:40:10 PM PDT by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: WilliamIII; LMAO
As Herbert Stein said: “If something can’t go on forever, it won’t.”
Economics is actually VERY simple.
48 posted on
08/29/2015 8:54:43 PM PDT by
Arthur McGowan
(Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
To: WilliamIII
Who are they trying to kid?
They’re all New Deal Democrats, or should I say New Deal Socialists, including all of those now running for president.
And still, Socialist Security remains completely unconstitutional.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
— James Madison, the father of the U.S. Constitution
56 posted on
08/29/2015 9:17:36 PM PDT by
EternalVigilance
(Donald Trump is a symptom, not the cure.)
To: WilliamIII
Democrats love to put forward lies as truth. And Big Media reports the Dem lies as truth and then they are repeated as truth. The Republicans need to get a handle on this or the R brand is dead.
70 posted on
08/29/2015 9:46:05 PM PDT by
originalbuckeye
("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
To: WilliamIII
A long time lefty buddy at work is a Trump supporter.
Mostly because of free trade.
76 posted on
08/29/2015 10:25:39 PM PDT by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
To: WilliamIII
Retirees fixed income should be tax exempt. It’s all most have and the pinch gets harder and harder with the advancement of Keynesian mandated inflation.
95 posted on
08/30/2015 3:39:32 AM PDT by
fella
("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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