Posted on 08/29/2015 6:17:21 PM PDT by Elderberry
The Texas Court of Appeals has determined over the last week that officials had probable cause in only five of the 177 arrests following a shootout between two rival biker gangs and local, state and federal authorities outside of a Waco restaurant in May, with just over a dozen more cases set to be reviewed over the next two weeks.
Among those still facing charges are a Bandidos chaplain and a husband and wife. Officials also found probable cause against Bandidos members Marcus Pilkington, 36, and Reginald Weathers, 43, who ascertain they are “being illegally confined” and authorities lack sufficient evidence to prove they engaged in organized criminal activity the day of the shootout, the Waco Tribune-Herald reported.
Nine men were killed during the exchange of gunfire that day and another 20 were injured. Authorities confiscated more than 475 weapons, including 151 firearms. No innocent civilians or law enforcement were injured during the shootout.
The incident remains under investigation, which is headed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, but a great deal of questions still remain, including who fired the fatal shots, which authorities have yet to disclose. However, Waco Police Chief Brent Stroman confirmed in June that a total of 12 rounds were fired by three Waco officers that day, leaving the remaining rounds at the hands of either the bikers or state and federal authorities.
At last count, 44 shell casings were recovered from the scene, including multiple .223 rounds, but ballistics evidence has not been made public at this time, despite the fact that autopsy reports were already released earlier this month, including vague descriptions of the injury-causing projectiles.
Weathers said the whole incident unfolded over a dispute about a parking space and a perceived act of disrespect, but while the melee initially involved the bikers, it’s unknown when authorities engaged.
According to Weathers, he and more than a dozen other members were outside of the Twin Peaks restaurant, while numerous members of the Cossacks, a rival biker gang, were near the patio area. A member of the Cossacks allegedly yelled at Bandidos club President David Martinez, saying he could not park in a particular space, but Weathers said he had not even pulled into the space at that point. Weathers, feeling his club president had been disrespected, then told the Cossacks member not to talk to his president that way, to which that member responded by punching Weathers in the face, he alleges.
Weathers said he covered his face in a defensive stance, but was soon pushed to the ground. Moments later, he heard gunshots, what he described as a “double tap.” Weathers was shot in the arm, but admitted that he did not know where the first shots came from because he was engaged in a fight with other bikers at the time.
Weathers said altogether the entire incident only lasted about four or five minutes.
"Most likely were"
Now there's some convincing evidence.
Who could object to that standard of proof?
“What a great night this is turning out to be! :D”
What a great night this is turning out to be! :D
I think it’s pretty clear the article is misleading.
The thread still has value; if nothing else the article is being identified as misleading.
I suspect the number of comments and/or rate cf comments is the principal reason it remains. I’m OK with that.
Or, it could be a Festivus thing. I’ve seen how the Mods party.
I’m sure you’re not, and I certainly didn’t mean to imply that you are.
But I guess I’ll stand by my statement.
“”Most likely were””
Yes. Some could have been .41 or .357.
“The thread still has value; if nothing else the article is being identified as misleading.”
It also has been fun. I think most of the first dozen posts were dudes gloating about how sad I would be learning of this ‘news’!
Once in a while, I see the ladies you’re referring to, though.
And the skinny jeans are often leopard print, too.
Yikes.
And yet more convincing evidence!
With that level of proof it's astounding that anyone questions your conclusions.
“With that level of proof it’s astounding that anyone questions your conclusions. “
Documented in the autopsies. Unless you are saying they faked the reports ...
If the caliber of the bullets has been documented in the autopsies then why have you been phrasing your comments as "could have been"?
“*snicker*”
Sometimes it is not about who posts first but who is in the right.
“But say goodbye to this thread, I think it’s going bye-bye.”
Mods are enjoying the circus!
“False hopes.”
You were hoping a bunch of gangsters would go free?
“No innocent civilians were injured?”
Biker gangs call non-riders civilians. I know of no non-riders that were injured. AFAIK, all injured were members of motorcycle gangs.
“The Texas Court of Appeals has determined over the last week that officials had probable cause in only five of the 177 arrests”
You: This right here, in and of itself, would be a good reason why Waco has been desperately trying to cover themselves ...
So by now you know the rest of the story?
“based on those previous assumptions “
Or maybe based on false hopes?
As it was pointed out to you, CTH (conservative tree house) put the phrase "thousands of rounds" in quotation marks.
And they supplied the source from where that claim arose.
If the information turns out to be inaccurate (which I suspect will be the eventual outcome) then it was not CTH themselves who are culpable of having forging deliberate inaccuracy, as you apparently continue to allege, regardless of whether the article's headline produced effect disagreeable to your own sensibilities. The article from which this was derived is dated May 21, 2015, less than a week after the incident occurred, during the near aftermath .
They (CTH) reported facts as those were known to themselves to be, with the one stunning claim coming from the Buzbee Law Firm of Houston, Texas, as found in District Court civil suite filing in Dallas, regardless of how much the headline may have ruffled your tail feathers, causing you to apparently suffer ongoing butthurt.
Trust me when I say, "we feel your pain" for you've been most generous with that, from the very beginning, letting us all know what a pain in the ass can really be like.
Now that your assertion has been proven to have been inaccurate (as "inaccurate" as the headline that led to you being butthurt, in the very least) its time to acknowledge the fact that it has been yourself who has been far more, and far more continually deliberately misleading with your own assertions, expressed frequently as quips comparable to "headlines", than has CTH overall, in comparison.
Once you can bring yourself to do that, then we could all proceed from there on, just a mite more peaceably, I do believe.
Great link -- thanks! A very useful item.
Pondering trolls -- what else would explain a person who'd actually try to push such a lame rationalization -- how stupid do they think people are? Or is their belief that all those ordinary chains were held with that intent, possible and genuine, are they that clueless? Really???
Nah ... must be trolls (phonies, in my definition). Plus when you see a screen name so apt to instantly suggest the credibility of an all-American icon of strength and toughness, the Mack Truck, as American as Harleys and apple pie ... well, it's worth noting.
But of course, I don't know -- I didn't used to believe in plants, but ... if I did/do, I'd say ol' mac truck is of the phylum Yugo.
“If the information turns out to be inaccurate (which I suspect will be the eventual outcome) then it was not CTH themselves who are culpable of having forging deliberate inaccuracy, as you apparently continue to allege, regardless of whether the article’s headline produced effect disagreeable to your own sensibilities. “
The source said the bikers started the shooting. The source said police and gangsters fired over a thousand rounds.
CTH absolutely stated as fact that the police shot thousands of rounds and killed nine.
I debunked CTH last May on this when a bunch of you gangbots were citing CTH that police shot thousands of rounds that day and killed nine.
Like today, y’all were duped back then by blog click-bait.
I was hoping (and still am) those whom I strongly suspect of being innocent of what they have so far been charged with, to have enough truth come out, and come out soon, to fully clear them of those charges.
I do not know how I could have made that more plan to you.
According to one report, an individual who did die there that day, was not among the aggressors, or was actively defending himself either, but instead, after having ducked down out of the gunfire, and was sprawled out somewhat face-down on the ground, was shot in the back of the head by a member of the Bandidos MC.
The man who I'm talking about who was shot and killed in that way, was a legal carry permit holder, and reportedly had a gun in his waistband --- that he never drew, and did not fire. Yet he died anyway, with the image I've gotten of that one individual at least, being that he was innocent of actively engaging in the fighting.
I don't think that Bandido who shot him, himself survived, so scratch one innocent whom I would have much preferred to have lived & gone free, and scratch one guilty party too (a Bandido), who if not himself guilty of premeditated intent to commit crime, in agreed upon shared purpose with another, apparently, if our one witness whom this account came from was relating events accurately enough (it was his own father who was shot and killed) was apparently guilty of having committed murder, proof or lack of proof for malice aforethought notwithstanding.
Do you understand?
I'm not concerned with wanting to free any who truly may be guilty, but instead, all along, as I have told you directly & innumerous times, my chiefest concerns have been for those who are (as far as I can tell) very likely to not be guilty of what they have been formally charged with.
Yet here you are, and here you come, to each and every 'Waco' thread, making it out to be that it is not possible that any of those who were arrested could possibly not be guilty of what crimes they have been universally charged with having committed.
“According to one report, an individual who did die there that day, was not among the aggressors, or was actively defending himself “
I don’t think he was charged ...
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