Of course they aren't interested in renouncing their country....their intentions are to make 'this country' their home country in culture and language and religion...
It's called an "INVASION"
2013 at our Whitehouse.
Plus they owe no allegiance to the United States
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its worse than that..
Allegiance is a voluntary status, a decision to renounce all allegiance, ties, with the previous country and to give all loyalty to the new country, the US alone and to not look back to the past relationship..
To become an American citizen you have to first renounce the country you came from, you were born in..Illegal aliens don’t do that, are not interested in doing so, refuse to consider such a move, etc..
by coming into the country illegally the illegal alien has broadcast his or her intention to ignore, flaunt, thumb their nose at our sovereign immigration laws..America is not important to them..these no love, respect for the laws, intention to honor or pledge allegiance to the flag or anything else..
Immigration is like God’s idea of marriage...a woman leaves her parents and cleaves to her husband alone..the immigrant leaves the country (parents) of his birth and cleaves to the US alone..
also its like the occasion when I was confirmed into the Anglican Church at 14..part of the ceremony was the words “I renounce the devil and all of his works I turn my back on the devil (as a citizen of the world/Earth) cut all ties, relationship, allegiance and cleaved, gave all loyalty, allegiance, etc to Jesus, to God (as a citizen of Heaven just residing on the Earth)
I was required to swear and sign a document to renounce my citizenship in New Zealand about a month before the ceremony to become an American citizen..that meant I could no longer use my New Zealand passport, it was null and void, I could no longer vote in new Zealand, I could no longer expect New Zealand to regard me as their responsibility, I now needed a passport to visit New Zealand as I was a foreigner, an alien to that country..
some of these people need to ask an immigrant to explain the facts to them..Not a new citizen in the last 10 years but one who has been here a while..
plus an American citizen or a registered alien/immigrant is subject to the draft, when we had one and in the future, an illegal alien is not..
none of these authors, reporters, radio/TV hosts are interviewing immigrants, but that’s typical when the subject is immigration or pseudo immigration..the experts aren’t asked to comment...just the pundits who don’t know what they are talking about..
Of course they aren't interested in renouncing their country....their intentions are to make 'this country' their home country in culture and language and religion...
It's called an "INVASION"
2013 at our Whitehouse.
Since the Framers' plan was to create a system of self-government on the basis of the consent of the governed, requiring the citizen's allegiance to be voluntary fits into this design. At the same time, the government gives its consent to admit the citizen into the national body, too. Compliance with the immigration and naturalization laws satisfies the requirements necessary for that consent.
In other words, U.S. citizenship is consensual, not like what we find in British common law, or ascriptive. Ascriptive citizenship is akin to jus soli doctrine, and is premised on the idea of "subjectship," not "citizenship" in the American concept.
In the CIS article I cited above, Jon Feere mentions that the Founders rejected the mediaeval concept of ascriptive "subjectship" in favor of a model of citizenship based on consent.
The liberty sought by the Founders required citizenship, rather than subjectship, as only the former allowed the individual to leave [i.e., to expatriate himself by withdrawing his allegiance to the U.S.] his nation at any time of his choosing — a freedom not possible under British common law.There really is no idea of what we mean by "citizen" in British common law. Any person born within the realm of the King was a subject of the British Crown. This subject status dates from the date of birth and is absolutely perpetual. It cannot be revoked; one's natural allegiance can never be canceled or transferred to another. (Which is why the British government continued to regard Americans as British subjects well into the 19th century.)
As Blackstone explained, the “natural-born subject of one prince cannot by any act of his own, no, not by swearing allegiance to another, put off or discharge his natural allegiance to the former… and it is unreasonable that, by such voluntary act of his own, he should be able at pleasure to unloose those bands, by which he is connected to his natural prince.” It was this very type of subjugation that the Founders did not want to bring to the new government.As Peter Schuck and Rogers Smith write:
“[B]irthright citizenship originated as a distinctively feudal status intimately linked to medieval notions of sovereignty, legal personality, and allegiance. At a conceptual level, then, it was fundamentally opposed to the consensual assumptions that guided the political handiwork of 1776 and 1787. In a polity whose chief organizing principle was and is the liberal, individualistic idea of consent, mere birth within a nation’s border seems to be an anomalous, inadequate measure or expression of an individual’s consent to its rule and a decidedly crude indicator of the nation’s consent to the individual’s admission to political membership."Schuck and Smith argue that "a constitutional commitment to 'citizenship based on mutual consent' is not only in line with the historical development of the United States but that it is also 'constitutionally permissible and democratically legitimate.'"
Dear Tennessee Nana, your own personal experience completely captures the issues involved here:
"I was required to swear and sign a document to renounce my citizenship in New Zealand about a month before the ceremony to become an American citizen..that meant I could no longer use my New Zealand passport, it was null and void, I could no longer vote in new Zealand, I could no longer expect New Zealand to regard me as their responsibility, I now needed a passport to visit New Zealand as I was a foreigner, an alien to that country."I found your testimony here so deeply moving! Certainly the illegal aliens that have been busting over our borders in recent times do not think in these terms. They aren't coming for citizenship per se; just to "find a better life."
They don't expatriate from, say, Mexico. Neither do they give allegiance to the United States.
If they don't care about giving their consent of allegiance to America, then America should not give its consent to them.
Thank you so very much for your beautiful essay/post!