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To: Elsie

” Well...... the English Revised Version of 1881-1885 hadn’t come into existence yet. What ELSE would a fella plagiarize?”

There certainly was some sort of dilemma for Moroni and the Stone Spectacles.

Even with their help when Joseph Smith was translating what he called Reformed Egyptian it just wouldn’t come out in 1830s American vernacular.

Instead, every time, the writing came out sounding just like Joseph Smith had grown up in the England of the late 1500s and was translating directly from the Greek Textus Receptus assembled by Erasmus of Rotterdam.

Go figure. The coincidence must prove the divine provenance of the Mormon scriptures. Or not.


132 posted on 08/23/2015 6:27:52 PM PDT by Pelham (Without deportation you have defacto amnesty)
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To: Pelham
Even with their help when Joseph Smith was translating what he called Reformed Egyptian it just wouldn’t come out in 1830s American vernacular.


The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


135 posted on 08/24/2015 6:02:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pelham

We know of JS's FALSE prophecies, and that it only takes ONE to be called a 'False Prophet';
but we DO have to give the man credit for being able to forsee the wireless computer mouse.

He's shown it a couple of times in this picture...


...as well as a symbol of a four input NAND gate.

136 posted on 08/24/2015 6:07:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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