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To: cripplecreek
I’m a United States citizen because my mother was a United States citizen, born in Wilmington, Delaware. And it has been the law since the beginning of the country that the children of American citizens born here or abroad are American citizens by birth

Did anyone ever dispute that

As far as I can recall no one ever did dispute either of those points. So many Freepers would disagree with Cruz. I suspect that many Cruz supporting Freepers would have disagreed with Cruz's simple interpretation of what "natural born" means.

I would not be one of them, because I argued that chlidren of citizens born abroad are "natural born". But there was the whole "Blood AND Soil" crowd, there was the "US Code doesn't let mothers pass on citizenship who are under a certain age" crowd, and a bunch of others.

Perhaps they have all been banned? Or perhaps their detailed parsing of 1800's law dictionaries and the US Code leads them to the belief that Cruz is a citizen?

In the even that Cruz achieves the nomination do people think the Left will challenge him on not being a Natural Born Citizen.

If so, will they manage to advance this argument further than the right was able to on Obama?

16 posted on 08/21/2015 9:05:59 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Jack Black

Dunham was not old enough when she had Obama to transfer her citizenship if he was born overseas. She was 18 and the rules in place at the time said that that she had to be 19 and have lived in the USA at least 14 years to be able to transfer citizenship to a child born overseas. Dunham was 18 when Obama was born which would be fine he was really born in Hawaii but not if he was born in another country. At least that is how I understand it.


26 posted on 08/21/2015 9:17:15 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Jack Black
'I would not be one of them, because I argued that chlidren of citizens born abroad are "natural born".'

Our first Naturalization Act of 1790 established "natural born" back in the day.

Key word is citizens, not citizen, ie one parent.

27 posted on 08/21/2015 9:18:41 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Jack Black
there was the "US Code doesn't let mothers pass on citizenship who are under a certain age" crowd

In Zero's case, that had an interesting wrinkle, if you believed that little Barry came into the world in Kenya or whatever the place was called at the time.

It seems the statute in question only applied to married women. But BHO, Sr., already had a wife back in Kenya. Therefore, his "marriage" was to Stanley Ann was invalid. So, her age would not have been relevant to her ability to pass on US citizenship.

31 posted on 08/21/2015 9:23:51 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Jack Black

What’s interesting is I’d say the same—except for those who became citizens at birth to another country because of being born there.

Weirdly, that apparently was the situation with Cruz and Canada.


33 posted on 08/21/2015 9:27:03 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Jack Black
"In the event that Cruz achieves the nomination do people think the Left will challenge him on not being a Natural Born Citizen.

The left went after McCain on the NBC thing. Totally ridiculous since McCain parents were both US citizens and on deployment by the US Navy. So if the Rats went after McCain, it is a certainty the Rats will, with great effect, go after Cruz on the NBC thing.

51 posted on 08/21/2015 10:18:15 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Jack Black
“Did anyone ever dispute that
•Stanley Ann Durham was a United States Citizens
•Obama was the child of Stanley Ann Durham”

It was simplified for the sound bite. There is a requirement for the parent to have resided in the US for 10 yrs including 5 years from the age of 14. Since Ms. Durham was 18 and could not meet that requirement, citizenship was passed from the father.

My Q&A:
Q. What if the father was also a US citizen but also 18 or under? Who would the citizenship pass from then?
A. Both parents US citizens = different part of the law. child is US citizen.

Q. What if the father was 18 or under and not a US citizen? Who would the citizenship pass from then?
A. I have no idea.

OK, here is the law as it stood when both Obama and Cruz were born:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-66/pdf/STATUTE-66-Pg163.pdf

Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof;

(2) N/A (Status of Indians/Eskimos)

(3) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(4) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(5) N/A (”born in an outlying possession”)

(6) N/A (”a person of unknown parentage found in the US”)

(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less
than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph.

63 posted on 08/21/2015 12:59:46 PM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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