Posted on 08/14/2015 7:46:15 AM PDT by Bluewater2015
Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina said Thursday that parents should not be forced to vaccinate their children against diseases like measles or mumps. However, she said she also believes schools should be free to make vaccinations for communicable diseases a requirement for attendance, saying families have to "make that trade-off" for themselves.
Fiorina told reporters after the event that "when you have highly communicable diseases where you have a vaccine that's proven, like measles or mumps, then I think a parent can make that choice."
California, where Fiorina ran for a Senate seat against Democrat Barbara Boxer in 2010, recently passed a law requiring nearly all schoolchildren to be vaccinated. Several calls to tighten the state's vaccine laws erupted after a measles outbreak last December was found to have originated in Disneyland.
Fiorina expressed her disapproval of the mandate, saying that "California is wrong on most everything, honestly."
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“Second, prevalence of infectious disease in countries with water systems is almost nil.
The local open well has always been the source of disease transmission everywhere.”
Mumbo jumbo. This is only true for illnesses that follow certain vectors, and irrelevant for the rest.
It’s like you took some pill that forces you to post statements that are the exact opposite of reality. Good thing you have no evidence to back yourself up, or some morons might believe you.
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=768249#
That one’s for you too.
Pay attention to the red line in the graphs.
God sure is falling down on the job in Africa. His protection of "us" seems proportional to the work of men like Salk and Pasteur.
“You’ll never get rid of Obamacare.”
Not with that attitude we won’t. If you’re so defeatist, I don’t see what you think whining about vaccines will accomplish.
Nope, not going to waste my time when you can tell from the title that the premise is false.
That is “your” view. Other views say that sometimes disease occur because of rejection of God. That said, God never fails.
Dr. Poland is no vaccine denier. Not only is he among the harshest and most outspoken critics of the “irrationality of the antivaccinationists,” he is also one of the strongest proponents for vaccines and the good that they can do. As Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group,one of the world’s largest vaccine research organizations; as editor-in-chief of the peer-reviewed scientific journal, Vaccine; as recipient of numerous awards; as chair of vaccine data monitoring committees for pharmaceutical giant Merck; as patent holder in various vaccines processes; as someone who enjoys special employee status with the Centers for Disease Control and the U.S. Department of Defense and as someone who has sat on every federal committee that has dealt with vaccines, no one can accuse him of seeing vaccines from a narrow perspective.
And he sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues.This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.”During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”...vaccine being less effective in real life than predicted, with a too-high failure rate — between 2% and 10% don’t develop expected antibodies after receiving the recommended two shots...For example, 9% of children having two doses of the vaccine, as public health authorities now recommend, will have lost their immunity after just seven and a half years..."
Poison pill, is it irony, or deliberate that we are debating vaccination coercion?
How do you suggest we replace the entire HHS infrastructure, which one of the presidential candidates do you think will be able to do that, in our lifetimes?
Name one governmental program of the size of Obamacare that has ever been eliminated. Or even significantly reduced...
I’m not ‘whining’ about vaccines. I’m stating the inevitability that they will be a requirement for work or medical care in this country. That’s not whining, that’s stating fact.
So the whole ‘push’ for vaccination has nothing to do with how many doses of MMR the preschoolers have to have to go to k4 or k5, 90+% of them are fully up to date on all recommended shots. The whole ‘vaccination’ push is about mandating a similar schedule for adults. That’s where the profit will come. That’s the market that’s severely ‘underutilized’. So roll up your sleeves, you’ll be getting several. Each year.
“God sure is falling down on the job in Africa.”
Well, God hasn’t installed municipal water systems there by and large and human waste is still not sanitarily disposed there either.
There is a parasitic worm in Africa whose only function is to eat out the eyeballs of it's human host. Those poor blind children! If only their faith had been stronger, God would have spared them.
It is better the enter heaven maimed, than have all your body parts and go to hell. Vaccines prevent parasitic worms? AIDS is rampant in Africa because of sexual immorality. Ebola is thought to be caused from eating bats. Many diseases can be avoided by following God’s Word.
Good point. God’s Word talks about keeping human waste away from inhabited areas...
I grew up in Africa. Most of the cities have human waste flowing down a center gutter in the middle of every street.
And dead animals.
And (any other gruesome thing you can think of).
All flowing into the nearby stream or river where everyone gets their drinking water.
That book might interest you. It overturns a lot of ‘accepted dogma’ and uses government data to do so.
I was thinking about how doctors order expensive tests just to avoid possible lawsuits. So let's say your doctor decides against vaccinating you against some obscure disease. Then you get that disease. I suppose you could sue the doctor for malpractice. It would be a silly lawsuit. But doctors have been sued for less.
There are many doctors who don’t vaccinate in their clinics. They will refer you to the public health clinic or walgreens or wherever.
Vaccines aren’t cheap and there’s the storage overhead to think about (special refrigerator, rotation protocol, etc).
I always thought it odd that the ped specialist I took the kids to didn’t at least offer flu vaccine. Turns out he didn’t ‘do’ vaccines at all.
My Ob/Gyn stopped giving Gardasil about 3 years after it came out. I haven’t asked her about that but I wonder if it wasn’t because some of the patients had serious side effects or because after the inital push, most of those doses are done at a peds office now. They do offer flu shot though.
That's a really good question. In most cases it makes sense to defer to an expert. For example, I can put my child on an airplane without too much worry because experts have inspected that plane, and found it to be airworthy.
But when experts are wrong, very tragic things can happen! So there's no easy answer here, IMHO. So I'd do my own research (trying to find unbiased sources), then factor that in with what the experts say.
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