Posted on 08/11/2015 8:20:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I most certainly do. People are responsible for the government they have. Period. We get in trouble when we start differentiating a government from the people it represents. This is even true in North Korea. We struggle to declare wars now because of this error in thinking. The Afghan people ARE responsible for their government, same in Iran, same elsewhere.
This is like people who rage at bankers and won't put blame on the individuals, companies and nations that use the credit they extend. In this example bankers may be enablers, but they are not the core problem.
This Trump thing is nothing new, we saw it recently with Perot and we've seen it all through history - and it never ends well. This is supposed to be a conservative site with learned conservatives. I expect people who understand these issues to, at minimum, not blindly throw their support to someone who has no history of conservatism, clearly doesn't understand the issues, can get bamboozled by any network into saying he'd fund parts of PP (which we already do) because he doesn't know anything about the issue, etc.
The Trump thing is just not going to end well. It's really not. And "raging against the establishment" is not an excuse for conservatives to back a populist anti-intellectual.
As I posted on a related thread:
It’s true that PP offers other services than abortion. But abortion is their biggest moneymaker by far.
The fact that it offers other services that actually do help a woman maintain her health is really a smokescreen. They use that fact as cover, politically, to justify their federal funds. What should happen is that PP is denied all federal funds and that money is diverted to other programs for low income women that offer free exams and such, but don’t perform abortions.
Actually ideally the money should be cut off period, but good luck getting that passed. The reality of it is that the money will be spent on “women’s heslthcare”; the best most realistic thing to do is divert it away from PP.
I believe that’s what Ted Cruz wants to do because he knows that even if money given to PP is earmarked to “not be for abortions” they will just use that money to pay for things other piles of money are for now, and use money previously used for other things to offset the costs of abortions (the “fungible” argument others have brought up on this thread).
Trump should understand this concept as a businessman.
Jeb-backing
Really, haven’t heard that one.
Trump has not been a lifer dog politician. You know the lifer dog politicians who are seemingly powerless to defund PP.
It seems people’s anger is misdirected at Trump.
It is the lifer dog politicians, from the do nothing Party other wise known as the Republican Party, that people should be mad at.
I was quoting another poster.....in the first line.....and several other posters in the remainder of the message.
donnie is a poseur...
yes thats what I said
remember where you read this! come November next!
We know that about McConnell, but that liberal isn’t running for President. Lord Donald, the liberal who situationally spews conservative talking points when tactically useful (he’s in business, after all), is.
Ja, vee should not fund zee Schutzstaffel’s death camps but vee must continue to fund all zee other useful SS programs. Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Obama!
Funding PP while telling them not to use the $$ for abortions is akin to funding ISIS while telling them not to wage jihad.
I will not argue that trump is not a liberal. But he has no authority to fund this butcher business with tax payer funds. Elected republicans fund the butcher business, why the double standard?
“The GOP does, and the GOP is fully funding Planned Parenthood.
Maybe complaints should be directed to them.”
And excuse Trump for yet another in a long line of policy flips, right? You are aware he’s running for the highest office in the land, are you not?
Total double standard form everywhere
Plus, PP funding comes from the Senate.
Trump might be a complete wingnut, He might become a hitlerian ditator on jan 20 2017, but no is talking about hypocrisy of the republicans the way he is, except Cruz, who, if Trump wasn’t there, would be getting so slammed right now, he’d think he was in a remake of “The Perfect Storm”
I thought we had Obamacare. Why is Planned Parenthood still around?
donnie is a poseur...
Yeah, again, which liferdog politician now serving isn’t?
Why have we lost nearly every round.How is it they are powerless to stop Obama?
Trump has just arrived on the scene.
He didn’t screw up America.
Actually, he has tangable proof of his accomplishments.
Unlike most of the pencil pushers, who are suppose to represent us, in DC.
Its looking more promising than it had been. Cruz and even Carson have risen to the top. While Bush is sinking fast.:)
I would like to think that Trump had a little to do with that.
BTW i do not support Trump for President but i do think he is providing a very useful service.
Imagine if Trump back Cruz.
Meanwhile, during this election year it is Congress controlled by Republicans that refuse to pull the funding for butchering and selling babies. Trump is not even the issue.
Yes, I am.
You are aware that the party that you keep voting for doesn’t support or pass or even attempt to pass anything in their platform and lies directly to your face every election cycle and is FULLY FUNDING Planned Parenthood right now?
Are you aware that the party you elect is in charge of federal spending and not the president?
If you don’t have a problem with the GOP funding Planned Parenthood, then I don’t see why you would have a problem with what Trump said, because he isn’t funding a damn thing except his campaign.
Read history. The electorate has ever been more reactionary than proactive. As long as there is peace in their community and they are eating, they are disinclined to upset the status quo. They may be aghast at Congress as a whole but their congressman must be going a good job for them. No change.
When the electorate perceives a problem, there is a reaction. The GOP has been swept into power in every congressional election since 2010, primarily to deal with Obamacare... and they broken every promise since. Trump’s support represents the electorate’s reaction to this uniparty reality.
It doesn’t mean he will win. In truth, he’s a light-weight saying shallow things... but he resonates with the dissatisfaction in the electorate. The smart candidates in this race will recognize what the electorate is saying through its support for Trump and run with it. Ted Cruz is the right man to do that as he has already shown his opposition to the Washington Cabal.
The truth of the IQ scale is that half of the population is below 100... that’s the way it is scored. They are easily led and oftentimes vote with their guts... that’s why carnal promises work so well. Trump is getting their attention and conservative ideas are breaking through their bubbles for the first time in a long time. Hopefully, they will be inspired to seek more.
Yeah but for someone like me, all I am saying is people should be careful. Obama, while a politician, ran as a populist who would change things. People bought in to the rhetoric. Both Trump and Obama are narcissistic. Both have either an aversion to or ignorance of constitutional and governing principles. Trump perhaps can play some beneficial role in changing things if he is sincere. I just am in no way convinced that role is potus.
Are you aware only two in the GOP voted not to defund? Are you aware any defunding bill would’ve had to be signed by the President, for whose position Trump is running? And you say TRUMP isn’t the issue surrounding his own comment? Please.
Trump wants to help poor women who can not afford private insurance. I see nothing wrong with that.
In the Senate vote, two of 54 GOPers voted to continue funding PP. How again is that considered a party’s supporting the butchering of babies.
Stop excusing Trump’s flip-flops. You know as well as I he’s nowhere near conservative.
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