Posted on 08/08/2015 9:36:54 AM PDT by mongrel
Well, the first of approximately 9,774 Republican primary debates happened last night. I dont plan on writing an analysis of each, but I think this one deserves acknowledgment because it was the first, and because it achieved the admirable feat of distracting from Jon Stewarts last episode of The Daily Show. What delicious irony that his finale was undermined and outshone by a bunch of Republican politicians on Fox News. Ive got nothing against the guy hes a liberal partisan hack who was perfectly adequate at reading jokes off of a teleprompter but I just appreciated the dynamic.
I should note that I didnt watch the earlier debate its just not healthy or natural for any human being to consume five straight hours of political rhetoric in one sitting so I wont have much to say about the candidates who participated in it. I hear Carly Fiorina performed well, which I dont doubt. She seems to be sharp and articulate, but shes also a sharp and articulate former Sen. John McCain aid and Jesse Jackson fan, who has sharply and articulately endorsed embryonic stem cell research, the DREAM act granting in-state tuition to illegal immigrants, President Barack Obamas stimulus, and the Wall Street bailout. She was likewise quite sharp and articulate when she called abortion a decided issue, and explained that she would have voted to confirm Sonia Sotomayor, a radical pro-abortion Supreme Court Justice, because she doesnt believe in imposing a pro-life litmus test on Supreme Court nominees.
So, yes, she is very good at arguing, but the problem is what shes arguing for, and whether you can trust her to argue for the same thing from one day to the next. Also, theres the matter of her business record, which includes being the CEO of Hewlett Packard, overseeing it for five years as the company fell apart and lost half of its value and thousands of its employees. She might have a plausible explanation for this unfortunate stain on her resume, but the fact remains that it was very successfully used against her when she was handily beaten during her failed bid for Senate in California.
He didnt get a chance to say much in this debate, but when he did, particularly later on in the evening, he was fresh, coherent, sharp, witty, and insightful. When asked about race relations, he gave a downright profound answer rare in politics, or anywhere else saying that when he operates on a brain, he gets to see what really makes a person who they are. And this coming from a black man who grew up in the ghetto, rose out of poverty, and became one of the greatest surgeons to have ever lived. He struggled through racism and adversity that few can imagine, yet his message is not petty and vindictive like that of the biracial fellow currently occupying the White House. Carson has, instead, something powerful and unifying to say. After eight years of a Al Sharpton-esque charlatan deliberately stoking tensions and encouraging race riots, Carsons message is all the more urgent.
And that speaks to why I really like the guy. Beyond the issues, beyond even his incredible and inspiring personal story, beyond his smart responses in a televised debate, I believe that Dr. Carson is a good man. I cant really know for sure, but based on everything Ive seen, including the fact that hes been married to the same woman for 40 years, and the fact that he hasnt flip flopped on every imaginable issue, and the fact that hes the only guy in the field whos literally saved the lives of countless people, especially children, I have arrived at the rather safe theory that Ben Carson is a man of character and integrity.
For some reason, we dont talk about character and integrity when discussing our presidential picks. Maybe its because we just assume theyre all scumbags, but I think its more that we, as a culture, have grown quite shallow and childish in recent years. Im sure this isnt a new phenomenon, but its evident that most Americans vote entirely based on which man or woman repeats their own views back to them the loudest. We call this voting on the issues, but we forget that were not voting for some abstract, disembodied collection of opinions. We are voting for a human being. And all of those opinions are meaningless if the human being articulating them is, despite his ability to soothe you with the sound of your own ideas, actually a lying, cheating, conniving, degenerate phony.
I think we ought to start considering a persons character as we contemplate making them the most powerful mortal creature in the known universe. If they have no character, then all of their words are guaranteed to lead to nothing but more tyranny and despair. It would take, at this point, an exceptionally virtuous person to inherit the vast powers of the modern presidency and not be morally destroyed by them. But if the person is already corrupt and comprised going in, were screwed. Theres no chance of anything good coming of it.
So, character. I like Dr. Carson because he has character. At the moment and subject to change, I think Ted Cruz is the best choice he has integrity, the conservative bona fides, a command of the issues, and a great chance at winning but I like having Carson on that stage.
2. I respect the fact that Fox challenged the candidates. Youll never see MSNBC or CNN or any other outlet go after Democrats the way Fox interrogated these Republicans. But, in the end, I was disappointed in the broadcast. From my count, they brought up abortion once and the Planned Parenthood scandal once. On both occasions, the line of questioning went right to rape and incest. Once again, another election cycle where, apparently, the entire matter of protecting unborn life will revolve around the rarest of circumstances.
I want a candidate to be pro-life without exception, but if the media were honest (pause for laughter), we would spend much more time discussing the preponderance of cases, rather than harping exclusively on the hardest ones. And why did rape come up in the Planned Parenthood question at all? Planned Parenthood is selling baby parts, and rather than asking each presidential hopeful what they plan to do about it, Fox instead asks them about rape? Ridiculous.
3. OK, Trump. The man was a disaster and an embarrassment, but then thats his charm. Hes really cornered the market on the whole incoherent train wreck shtick, so I suppose he played his part splendidly. And now the brave and bold and courageous Trump is running around crying that the debate moderators behaved very badly by asking him tough questions.
For the record, the questions werent that tough. They asked him whether hed run third party if he doesnt win the nomination, and he said he might. This was an unpopular answer not because it was elicited by some gotcha trick, but because a Trump third party run would absolutely guarantee a Hillary Clinton presidency. Given that Trump is a lifelong liberal whos been bankrolling the Clintons for years, it has crossed my mind more than once that this whole thing is a Trojan Horse ploy to get Trumps good friend, Hillary, elected. If Trump runs third party, that will absolutely confirm my suspicions.
Im not against the idea of an independent party in principle. In fact, in principle I like it and Ive strongly advocated for it in the past. But this time around there are some good potential choices on the Republican menu, and more importantly, I really dont know if this country can survive four or eight years of Hillary Clinton. The fate of the nation hangs in the balance, and we cant afford to make a game out of it. Trump has all but announced his intention to hand the presidency to Hillary Clinton if Republican voters dont comply with his demands, essentially blackmailing us by threatening to put a tyrant in office if we dont give him what he wants. If that isnt enough to disqualify him in your book, then I have to assume you just dont understand the gravity of the situation.
One must also wonder whether they want a president who pouts like a bullied little schoolboy whenever someone asks him a question he doesnt like. Trump, a 70-year-old man, spent much of last in the midst of a Twitter temper tantrum, upset that Megyn Kelly asked him about his habit of calling women names like fat pig, dog, and disgusting animal, and telling them they look pretty on their knees. He got off a funny line about Rosie ODonnell in response to this question, but when pressed, he practically broke into tears, before erupting into another rant about how hes politically incorrect. Later, on Twitter, he called Kelly a bimbo.
Now, I couldnt care less about political correctness, but actually, it is a problem that Trump says these things about women. Put aside the fact that Hillary Clinton could hang this around his neck and beat him silly with it. On a more fundamental level, a real man doesnt talk to women, or to anyone, this way. We have reached a very sad moment in the history of the conservative movement when a desperate, vulgar, juvenile brat can be hailed by the values voter constituency as brave and courageous because he calls women fat pigs and tells them to get on their knees. And to label such things merely politically incorrect is infuriatingly absurd.
Rick Santorum was politically incorrect in the earlier debate when he compared the Supreme Court gay marriage decision to Dred Scott. Ted Cruz was politically incorrect when he defended his charge that the establishment leaders in his party are liars. Scott Walker was politically incorrect when he bravely stood by his pro-life convictions, making no exceptions for rape or incest. Mike Huckabee was politically incorrect when he came out against allowing transgenders to serve openly in the military, explaining that our military isnt a social experiment. Rand Paul was politically incorrect when he aggressively defended the Bill of Rights. These were politically incorrect statements. They were also true, necessary, honest, and gutsy. They had substance and meaning. When we talk about wanting someone to be politically incorrect, this is what we should be referring to, not a puerile old man degrading women and calling an accomplished journalist a bimbo because she dared to make him feel uncomfortable.
Thats not the behavior of a politically incorrect man. Thats the behavior of a man with no character. And Trump has no character. None.
Hes also a man of no specifics, who continues to gain support despite having failed to ever actually answer any question hes been asked. He declined to offer particulars on his immigration stance, while Marco Rubio put him to shame by giving an informed, competent, and meaty answer on the subject. Trump also ducked inquiries into his business record, defending the fact that he screwed over his lenders by pointing out that lenders are not nice. And because the world is insane and nothing makes sense anymore, this was an applause line.
Trump lied when asked why hes given so much money to the Clintons, claiming he only donated hundreds of thousands of dollars over many years so that Hillary would go to his wedding. He doesnt even bother telling believable lies, I guess because he counts on his supporters swooning over his revolutionary strategy of being openly dishonest about everything.
Trump boasted about being a man of no principles who bribes politicians, and puffed up his foreign policy credentials by declaring that he had the incredible vision to oppose the Iraq War a year after it started. He had no answer when asked about his previous liberal positions, and he couldnt explain his own admission that he identifies more with Democrats. In a stunning moment, Trump an alleged conservative at an allegedly Republican debate defended his past support for government-run healthcare, extolling the virtues of Canadas socialized medicine scheme. Trump is a big government liberal who thinks single payer healthcare works well but, hey, at least hes politically incorrect! And hes rich! Sure, he inherited his wealth, but man is he funny when he insults fat women! Lets make him president!
Because thats what we want in a president, right? Hilarity and entertainment. We dont want character, consistency, principles, or integrity. Totally boring, man. We just want to be amused, thats all. Our civilization is on fire, and we want someone to play the fiddle and dance for us while it all burns to ash.
Trump is not an honest man, or a good one. He doesnt have the courage to stand up against even the slightest challenge, and he has no discernible platform or plan. He lacks the ability to explain his conservative ideals, because they dont exist, and he cant give any specifics at all, because they dont exist. Whatever his meager and inauthentic positive attributes politically incorrect, not an establishment guy, expresses the frustrations of the American people, etc. there are other candidates in the race who possess these same characteristics much more convincingly.
You want someone hated by establishment? Ted Cruz.
You want someone who isnt a politician? Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina (her downsides notwithstanding).
You want a fresh face who can beat Hillary Clinton? Well, theres everyone I just listed, plus Marco Rubio and Scott Walker.
You want a guy who isnt afraid to get angry and take it to the opposition? Nobodys done that better than Rand Paul.
You want politically incorrect? Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum.
Im not endorsing all of these people or telling you to vote for them, Im just letting you know that the anti-establishment, politically incorrect, non-politician, angry, frustrated, bold and combative bases are all thoroughly covered this time around. Trumps services are not needed.
But, then, if you just want someone who will make a good show of it while our country collapses and our childrens futures are cannibalized in the chaos, I admit that nobody is better suited for the task than Donald Trump.
It way early in the cycle. Trump is ruffling feathers and that is a good thing.
What’s is Trumps opion on taxes? Is he for a tax code that has seven times as many words as the Bible?
I want to hear more, not less, from Trump.:)
He’s not necessarily connected with the Clinton at the hip because of their ideology, it’s because it serves his purposes for self-promotion. He doesn’t have a deal with them because they’re buddies, but because he makes deals and plan B’s wherever he goes. Looking on the outside, a deal here makes perfect sense. Hillary is the biggest winner with his continued candidacy.
I don’t know who told you he was selflessly supporting Clinton, but that would be the first person that I’ve heard using selfless to describe him. If he supports Clinton, it’s because it benefits himself in some way.
Edit and addition.
It is way early in the cycle. Trump is ruffling feathers and that is a good thing.
What is Trump’s opinion on taxes?
Is he for a tax code that has seven times as many words as the Bible?
What does he think about “I”bama efforts at bringing us all together “as one America”?
Trump could open up a lot of important debate.
He could make “average folks” consider things they may not have ever thought of. And, he could force the RINO dynasty to take a stand on positions they somehow never seem to have to take a position on.
I want to hear more, not less, from Trump.:)
I agree with you. So is he a Leftist due to his connection to them?
No. It has no bearing on his political ideology.
I think his value is in ruffling feathers, and he’s done well at that to this point.
At the same time, it doesn’t matter how much detail he gives about policy. He’s shown a clear ability to change it on a whim.
At what point will his staying in derail another conservative candidate and give it to Jeb? You can be sure the GOPe will coalesce around him to be the anti-Trump. If a conservative candidate gets the GOP nomination, will Trump go third party? If you say no, what assures you he wouldn’t?
The longer he stays, the more his ego gets fed and the less likely he is to pull out. He’s better than Jeb and better than Hillary, but that’s not saying much. He’ll be willing to destroy a lot of conservative allies if it serves his purpose.
I've seen this done in more subtle ways as well.
The media, which makes it a point to exclude any legitimate criticism of open borders policies in any forum, will occasionally air a grievance from the most ignorant, louche or uniformed quarter.
A great example is an anti-cheap labor 1 minute segment PRI Marketplace aired about a year ago in response to a typical COC-style pro-immigration segment.
Naturally, they chose a woman who, albeit well-intentioned, had no command of the facts and came across as a bumptious hayseed.
I quit the GOPe ages ago...I don't care what Party Trump belongs to...He is more conservative AND pro America than any of the GOPe contenders up there (except Cruz)
So, you’re saying Trump hasn’t shown a propensity for being all over the map with his political views? And that we should just take him at his word because he really, really means it this time? I’ve already stated I like a lot of what he says, depending on which side of his mouth he’s speaking. My calling him out on his duplicity doesn’t mean I disagree with his conservative statements.
I’m absolutely biased against Trump. Because he has shown nothing in his life that demonstrates trustworthiness.
Yes, as far as I can tell, Cruz screwed up on the trade thing. But I will give a man the benefit of the doubt if he shows me a lifetime of consistent and tireless work on the same side of the aisle. I won’t do that for someone who just demonstrates an ability to flip-flop hard.
He can acted like a lightening rod while bringing up the issues that should be adressed.
I believe Trump appeals to the voter’s who truly feel they are outside of the process. As well as the voter’s who tried to get the opposite of Obama but were snookered by the, so called,uni-party.
Trump, at least in most people’s lifetime, is like no other Presidential candidate. He plays my his on set of rules. He has a little bit of a crooked moral. You call me a name i call you a name kind of thing. Forget that he is a moderate democrat, at best, he is exposing the phonies.
Look at Cruz. Unshaken and classy. He is only rattling the overly sensitive establishment type’s cage like Megs or Erik or nearly all of Fox News.
We think the rule are the USC but these egomaniacal media folk’s think they know better . They think they call the shots. They tell us what to think and who we should vote for.
Certainly not a Ted Cruz. We know who we are suppose to pick.
COme on Mongrel tell us who they want us to pick?...you know...we all know.
How about the H1-B visa thing.
These have happened over the last few months.
You’re pretty selective in your outrage over people who lie to you.
You quote Cruz as saying he supports ending illegal immigration because they take jobs. He didn’t give that as his reason. He is clearly against illegal immigration because it is illegal, and for increasing opportunities for skilled immigrants. I agree with him. There’s no integrity issue here although you may disagree with his stance.
So again, he has a clear, consistent track record, and Trump is the drunk uncle with a shotgun that happened to hit a few of your favorite targets. Good luck with that.
He said they compete with U. S. Citizens for jobs.
If you can’t deal with that, it’s not my problem.
And the only way Hillary will be indicted, tried, convicted and imprisoned for her crimes is under a conservative administration.
I would love to see that quote. I’ve looked all over for it and can’t find it.
Well then keep looking.
He said it around the time he advocated for bringing in more H1-B visa people.
I looked for it too, and out of tens of speeches and policy statements, he doesn’t mention jobs, U. S. workers, or illegal immigrants once together.
How do you do that? Ted found a way.
Obviously very concerned about the impact 30 million people would have on the jobs situation...
Well, this is helpful. /s
You say Cruz is not consistent by referencing two things he said, so apparently he is the same as Trump. Then you make up a quote about him to prove your point. You won’t find that quote because he didn’t say it.
Cruz has consistently been on point in supporting H1-B visas because he believes it will increase American jobs. He has consistently been on point in opposing illegal immigration because it’s illegal. There’s no lack of integrity there.
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