Posted on 08/08/2015 4:27:51 AM PDT by Kaslin
This week was the 70th anniversary of the United States nuking Hiroshima and as expected, there has been plenty of second guessing, attacks on America, and claims that nuking the Japanese wasnt necessary.
Understandably perhaps, thats how the Japanese feel. I can tell you that with certainty because back in 2008, the Japanese equivalent of PBS flew me out to New York to be part of an online discussion between a crowd of Americans and a group of people from Hiroshima. Again, perhaps understandably, the tone from the people of Hiroshima was very self-pitying. They asked us to look at pictures of Hiroshima as if we hadnt seen them before. They talked about how devastating the attack was for them. It was like they wanted a big apology from all of America because we hit them so hard after their sneak attack.
Let me say something that a lot of people think, but dont want to say because were friendly with Japan now: Japan deserved to be nuked and it deserved it ten times over.
Japan was allied with the Nazis in a war of world conquest that would have exterminated freedom and democracy across the globe if they were successful. The Japanese deliberately starved and slaughtered millions of civilians, they raped children and pregnant women, they forced families to have sex with each other for the fun of it, they tortured and experimented on prisoners of war -- and then there was Pearl Harbor.
Today, we think of the Japanese as polite people who are good at making electronics, cars and monster movies, but during WWII they were just as fanatical and evil as ISIS or Al-Qaeda. Unfortunately, they also had the military, intelligence and organization to inflict their evil on a much wider swath of the planet. They needed to be stopped by any means necessary, thats exactly what we did and the world, INCLUDING JAPAN, is a much better place for it.
Strategically, it also made sense.
First off, Pearl Harbor needed to be avenged in a manner so terrible that it made our enemies think twice about striking our homeland again. In fact, some might argue that Japan got off light.
When this war is over, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell! — Admiral Bill Halsey on December 7, 1941
Happily, it didnt have to come to that and yet Japan was punished for what it did in a way so terrible that it will live on until the end of human history. Thats no small matter because after what we did to Japan, nobody tried going after us again on our home turf until 9/11. Whats 50+ years of going without a strike on America as devastating as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 worth? Actually, quite a lot.
Additionally, since it had become clear that Stalin might be almost as dangerous after the war as Hitler was during it, it was also important for the United States to deal with Japan instead of leaving another strategic, potentially dangerous nation to be conquered by the Soviets. Ultimately, we ended up fighting a cold war instead of a hot war against the Soviets and its entirely possible that our willingness to do what it took to subdue Japan scared them enough to play a significant role in that.
Most importantly, we saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. By 1945, the Japanese had essentially been defeated, but they refused to unconditionally surrender. Allowing a nation as dangerous and evil as Japan to rearm, especially after the worlds post-WWI experience with Germany, seemed like little more than an invitation to an even more brutal war in another 20 years.
Initially, America prepared for a ground invasion, but after seeing the ferocity with which Japan defended Okinawa, we realized taking Japan would cost the lives of millions of Japanese and much more importantly, hundreds of thousands of American soldiers would die in the process.
When people moan about the use of nuclear weapons in Japan, what theyre really saying is that theyd rather hundreds of thousands of American families had grown up without husbands, fathers and sons than see us use nuclear weapons on a genocidal nation bent on world conquest.
Like most people who second guess the hard choices that are made in war, critics of nuking Japan insist that everything would have just magically worked out. Japan would have just surrendered and everything would have ended without bloodshed.
Of course, back in the real world, Japan was putting all of its resources into fending off an invasion and refused to surrender even AFTER the first nuclear weapon was dropped. After the second nuclear weapon hit Nagasaki, there was an attempted coup designed to prevent that nations leaders from giving in. Happily it failed, but it gives you a sense of how determined the Japanese were to keep fighting.
The Japanese werent the victims in WWII; they were the bad guys. They were perfectly willing to create a Hell on earth as long as their Emperor got to share time with Hitler in the infernal palace and they were allowed to be his little worker demons torturing the rest of the planet. Dont feel sorry for Japan because it got nuked; feel sorry for the all the innocent lives that were lost because of that nations murderous lust for power.
The nuking was necessary to save the lives of the POWs that were located on the island of Japan. Given the other strategic reasons for the bomb, there is little doubt that President Truman made the correct decision.
“Truman had to put America first something the current occupant of the White House wont do.”
Neither would about 50% of the field of Republicans running for that office in 2016.
Correction about the first attack on home soil since Pearl.. We mustn’t forget 1993, the first attempt to bring down the WTC..
And you are correct about revised history here.. Severe whitewashing.
My father’s unit was scheduled to be part of the invasion of Japan as well...The bomb saved thousands of American lives.
Thank God we had leaders who did what was in America’s best interest.
I caught a ZoT!
It’s been awhile, hehe..
When wife and I toured the Arizona Memorial, our Navy boat was filled with young Japanese.
I asked why they wanted to see this. They said they wanted to see what their grandfathers had done. They couldn’t believe it...
I think it went even deeper than that.IIRC the estimates were that a full scale invasion of Japan would cost a million lives...soldiers and civilians,Allies and Japanese.
Truman was right to drop both bombs. The projected causality rate for the invasion of Japan was 1,000,000 plus.
History has been kind to the old liberal, former KKK member. In my opinion, warts and all, Harry Truman ranks as the best President in the 52 years between Calvin Coolidge and Ronald Reagan.
In all the hand-wringing, has it been reported that the President (Truman) who ordered the bombings was a DemocRAT?
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Let me say something that a lot of people think, but dont want to say because were friendly with Japan now: Japan deserved to be nuked and it deserved it ten times over.
Really? If this is the case, then what does the United States deserve today? More on that below.
Japan was allied with the Nazis in a war of world conquest that would have exterminated freedom and democracy across the globe if they were successful. The Japanese deliberately starved and slaughtered millions of civilians, they raped children and pregnant women, they forced families to have sex with each other for the fun of it, they tortured and experimented on prisoners of war -- and then there was Pearl Harbor.
If Japan deserved to "nuked ten times over" for all this, then what price should the United States of America pay for slaughtering 50+ million of our own defenseless children since Roe v. Wade? It's astonishing how freely this guy is willing to rain death down upon someone else for crimes and abominations that aren't nearly as horrific as our own.
First off, Pearl Harbor needed to be avenged in a manner so terrible that it made our enemies think twice about striking our homeland again. In fact, some might argue that Japan got off light.
This is baloney. Pearl Harbor was barely "our homeland" in 1941. Hawaii wasn't even a state at the time -- and when the news of the attack on Pearl Harbor was hitting the airwaves that day, the vast majority of Americans didn't even know where it was.
Happily, it didnt have to come to that and yet Japan was punished for what it did in a way so terrible that it will live on until the end of human history. Thats no small matter because after what we did to Japan, nobody tried going after us again on our home turf until 9/11. Whats 50+ years of going without a strike on America as devastating as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 worth? Actually, quite a lot.
The author makes it sound like we have made it through the last 70 years unscathed. We have a homosexual Muslim who is a radical Islamic interloper sitting in our White House, dude. And look around you at what America has become. We destroyed Japan so we could be free to build this?
When people moan about the use of nuclear weapons in Japan, what theyre really saying is that theyd rather hundreds of thousands of American families had grown up without husbands, fathers and sons than see us use nuclear weapons on a genocidal nation bent on world conquest.
No, that's B.S. The author makes a common logical mistake of laying out one scenario with millions of casualties, then retroactively justifying it by claiming to demonstrate that the alternative was "better" by some objective measure. What would the logical extension of this argument be if Japan didn't surrender after Nagasaki?
The Japanese werent the victims in WWII; they were the bad guys.
This is where the author's initial argument completely falls flat on its face. You can't argue on one hand that Japan was governed by a brutal, totalitarian regime that was hell-bent on eradicating democracy ... and then paint Japanese civilians as complicit players who deserved to pay for the sins of their leadership.
In fact, historical facts expose the author's entire underlying premise is exposed as a fallacy. The Japanese royal family who were ultimately responsible for all of the crimes that the author claims justified the annihilation of Japanese cities were never prosecuted after the war.
You gotta do better than this, Mr. Hawkins.
They were fighting to defend an empire of slaughter and rape. They fought like hell but what they were defending was pure evil.
The Japanese should be kissing our arses for dropping both bombs.
The Japanese were preparing to FIGHT TO THE LAST MAN. Truman saved a LOT of lives: Both Japanese as well as as American.
My only apology is that we didn’t drop one on Berlin.
Sorry, Israel.
We eradicated that culture and the world is a better place. Expecting perfection in war is a little silly.
It's funny how that inconvenient little fact gets overlooked in our colored view of history. Whether the attack was justified or not, Pearl Harbor was a military target -- and it was located in a disputed American possession that wasn't even a state at the time. What was the military value of killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians?
I think it’s an important distinction that Truman did not bomb Japan, he acceded to the military strategy of bombing Japan. And for good reasons.
It’s a distinction little made, let alone contrasted with the dichotomy of leaders of the current era, responsible for demoralizing ROE and leaving behind the prior strategies of both ‘winning the war’ as well as ‘winning the peace’...
Berlin surrendered in early May. The first nuke test was mid July 1945.
Gee, I don't know. Unconditional surrender maybe?
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