[DLfromthedesert]

I asked my friend, Charles Heller, who is a person certified by the State of Arizona to teach armed interactions with police, his opinion of the behavior of both the officer and the citizen. Here is his reply:

Citizen is a jerk who was baiting the cop for You Tube material. He was playing the psychological game called, “NIGYYSOB,” (Now I go you, you son of a bitch.)

The citizen disobeyed a lawful order in not removing his hand from his pocket. The officer was wise to draw his gun.

The citizen was wise to record the incident. Had he been polite to the office and had he removed his hand from his pocket, he’d have done just perfect.

The officer remained calm but alert. The officer blew it by asking about “constitutionalist.” Might be an interesting case for a civil rights lawsuit, but would not go anywhere due to no articulable damages.

[fruser1]

What is your friend’s justification for the cop exiting his vehicle to begin with?

My problem with this incident is:

1) Videotaping a car in the street is legal. No justification for the cop to get out and approach the cameraman. How does this make the cameraman a jerk? If anything, the cameraman’s “jerkiness” was in response to the cop’s inappropriate behavior.

2) The cop actually indicated that he was not there for any particular reason like responding to a call/complaint.

If what your friend says is correct, cops, as another poster put it, can simply walk down the street barking out orders and everyone must comply.

[DLfromthedesert]

See post 174

[dragnet2]

my friend, who is a person certified by the State of Arizona to teach armed interactions with police.... I respect his opinion on these subjects.

I'm sure you do. But everyone has an opinion and most are biased. Ya see your buddy wouldn't even be allowed on a jury for a criminal case because of who he is.

That's like having the MSM moderate the debates after they've clearly, repeatedly and intentionally maliciously lied and slandered Trump. This makes them a de facto participant.☺

Or like being a defendant walking into court and seeing the jury full of the prosecutors relatives and friends. You're guilty...lol

This is no bueno.

[familyop]

Here's some information about another expert who trains police to shoot residents.

“Angel of Death” Psychologist Trains Cops to Shoot First, Question Later, Cashes in at Killer Police Trials
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/08/angel-of-death-psychologist-trains-cops-to-shoot-first-question-later-cashes-in-at-killer-police-trials/

[familyop]

"The citizen disobeyed a lawful order in not removing his hand from his pocket. The officer was wise to draw his gun."

If your friend said that, your friend is not correct.

Let's put the ignorance to the test by having a policeman(*) walk down a sidewalk and order all passersby to take their hands out of their pockets. If they refuse to do so, the policeman(*) will pull his weapon in reaction to their disobedience.

The two errors are lack of cause and initiating or threatening use of deadly force without being attacked or threatened with deadly force. Legalize those policy errors, and they'll eventually be proven to be deleterious anyway.

Many government-employed psychs and lawyers are notoriously mental or criminal, too.

* Policeman
I don't subscribe to feminism or other socialist linguistic activism.