Posted on 08/04/2015 12:22:26 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
Citizen seems to notice a police officer driving around and around his neighborhood while he is working on his boat in his driveway.
Police officer doesn't like being filmed by someone in his own yard and decides to stop and pull gun on him.
One of my proudest moments as a citizen/juror was being instrumental in releasing a guy who was "sleeping one off" in his own driveway after the cops came on his property, woke him up, then charged him with DUI.
>> My grandmother always told us to be invisible to all in authority.
Your grandmother had a point — but so did Ben Franklin:
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
” only needs reasonable suspicion”
You’re probably right but, again, we’re talking about a guy in his driveway.
Also, HAD there been reasonable suspicion, the cop would have stated so, e.g., I have a relative who was walking down the street in LA late at night - cops, responding to a robbery complaint, detained him and asked for ID, etc. Whole rigamarole.
But they did tell him they were responding to such complaint.
Not the case here, which is why everyone is jumping on you!
” right to patrol and slow down or stop near any home he wants to”
Right, but before doing something like, let’ say, approaching someone and telling them to take some action, they FIRST need to state why they are asking this.
UNLESS, there’s an imminent threat present, which there wasn’t.
Critical context here is that the cop created this situation. He was not responding to any call or complaint.
The officer could have had any number of reasons for approaching the man. He might have been responding to a call, or wanted to ask him if he had witnessed an incident or 100 other things.
The cop did NOT approach aggressively. He approached calmly and told the man to simply take his hand out of his pocket (a routine instruction for everyone’s safety). The man then refused and became very agitated. Only then did the officer unholster his weapon.
The more times I watch it the more I am convinced it was 100% the taper’s fault.
Most major cities are the same way nowadays. It's very unfortunate for all of us. But certainly not surprising looking at the events of the past several decades.
Most people nowadays have nothing but contempt for government and it's highly paid agents. Those on the big gov welfare payroll have very much underestimated the anger of average American's. They just don't get it.
What were seeing on the streets is very much like what is happening in American politics with Trump. And they just don't get it. The people in control have absolutely no business being in control. From top to bottom.
There ya go. Multiply your experience millions of times with other folks.
At this rate the wheels eventually come off.
“He might have been responding to a call”
Watch it again. The cameraman asks why he’s there. The cops doesn’t say. Cameraman asks “what are you just here randomly” - cop says yes.
He was not responding to any call or complaint. If he was he would’ve said so.
For $700 it's the best money spent on security. I can even program the DVR to send me live feed on my cell phone when I am away. That way I can make informed decisions.
reasonable suspicion,...
Reasonable suspicion is a standard used in criminal procedure. It is looser than probable cause. Reasonable suspicion is sufficient to justify brief stops and detentions, but not enough to justify a full search. When determining reasonable suspicion, courts consider the events leading up to the brief stop and a decide whether these facts, viewed from the standpoint of an objectively reasonable police officer, amount to reasonable suspicion.
Courts look at the totality of the circumstances of each case to see whether the officer has a particularized and objective basis for suspecting legal wrongdoing.
We have gone too far in the wrong direction, and even if we elect a conservative in 2016, it may not be enough. Violence is becoming commonplace in this country, and I believe that will increase, regardless of which party is occupying the White House. We are running out of time.
Btw, when this thread started and I looked at the YouTube site, it was just 340 or so hits.
The same video on just that one site in the past hour or so has now gone to nearly 9,000 hits.
I’m glad to hear it. People need to wake up to what’s happening in this country.
I asked my friend, Charles Heller, who is a person certified by the State of Arizona to teach armed interactions with police, his opinion of the behavior of both the officer and the citizen. Here is his reply:
Citizen is a jerk who was baiting the cop for You Tube material. He was playing the psychological game called, “NIGYYSOB,” (Now I go you, you son of a bitch.)
The citizen disobeyed a lawful order in not removing his hand from his pocket. The officer was wise to draw his gun.
The citizen was wise to record the incident. Had he been polite to the office and had he removed his hand from his pocket, he’d have done just perfect.
The officer remained calm but alert. The officer blew it by asking about “constitutionalist.” Might be an interesting case for a civil rights lawsuit, but would not go anywhere due to no articulable damages.
I’ll give you that Joe Citizen should take
his hand out of his pocket per cop request.
However, if the incident led to a private
citizen complaint or court action then the
cop is going to land in a shit storm when
he has to explain that he had gotten his
panties in a twist, confronted the civilian,
and drew his weapon over being the subject
of the home owner’s video follies. The cop
knew that too.
The officer needs some schooling in dealing with people that are not aggressive. He should have simply asked to have the citizen keep his hands in plain sight.
But, as you, when he pulled his weapon out, and it was a weapon at the point and way he pulled it, he went way over the line.
The citizen has a case because the officer pulled his weapon out prior to his command to show hands.
At the least, this officer needs to be put on leave and go through training in procedures responsibly.
Now, if the citizen was acting aggressively, then we have a whole different matter. But this guy was backing up and the officer was being way aggressive.
What is your friend’s justification for the cop exiting his vehicle to begin with?
My problem with this incident is:
1) Videotaping a car in the street is legal. No justification for the cop to get out and approach the cameraman. How does this make the cameraman a jerk? If anything, the cameraman’s “jerkiness” was in response to the cop’s inappropriate behavior.
2) The cop actually indicated that he was not there for any particular reason like responding to a call/complaint.
If what your friend says is correct, cops, as another poster put it, can simply walk down the street barking out orders and everyone must comply.
See post 174
He stated that he didn’t know what the cop saw; he was just saying how to respond to a cop for your own safety. He is a founder of the Citizens Defense League of AZ and I respect his opinion on these subjects.
Everyone's safety would have been better served if he'd kept his butt in his vehicle, apart from probable cause.
You seem to not want to acknowledge that. Here's a little known fact YOU don't seem to know...in America, the state isn't supposed to bother you without a predetermined reason. What the hell do you think "rule of law" means?
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