Posted on 08/02/2015 7:28:50 PM PDT by markomalley
Can’t wait until the adults are back in charge.
By the way, I hope you don’t think I am personally attacking you on this issue, it is just something I feel very strongly about.
We are seeing these types of gradual loosening of standards in every service, and the end result is going to be a less capable military.
Everything will be fine in a peacetime military. but when there is actual battle damage to a vessel, people are going to see what is going to happen when sailors have to do extreme physical work in smoke-filled or high temperature compartments to save shipmates or the ship itself.
Men who have been in combat know that it places extraordinary physical demands that people who haven’t experienced it cannot imagine. Civilians think of ground combat as people with guns shooting at each other, and shipboard combat as ships making tight turns and launching missiles.
What ground combat really is involves wearing and carrying large amounts of heavy equipment while wearing heavy and confining clothing, sometimes in very high temperatures, while running from point to point, climbing, scrambling over things as adrenaline is being pumped into the body. It often goes on for hours or days.
Shipboard combat (which our Navy has been fortunate enough to avoid since WW II except for incidents like the USS Cole, USS Stark, and various fires aboard ships, is more deadly than most civilians can imagine. In WWII, it is a little known fact to most people that four times as many sailors were killed in the campaign for Guadalcanal as were killed on the ground, and to survive it required strength, toughness and endurance on the part of the sailors that rivaled anything taking place on a battlefield. Men working in chest deep water of smoke filled, darkened compartments trying to control flooding, steering casualties or engineering failures due to fire and battle damage. Trying to carry wounded men directly up ladders to escape flooded or fire-filled compartments.
These decisions they are making are not being based on things like that, they are being base on making sure that certain billets needed for advancement are open to women and men who would not otherwise be eligible (for physical reasons) in order to meet societal experimentation quotas and standards.
Now all Tranny women can pretend like they’re men with validation from our military. We are the laughingstock of history.
So are a lot of overweight sailors. Isn't 18 hours a day at sea work enough? Some days 20 hour days. What about 100% humidity in about 120 plus equipment rooms? Out of a ship of almost 5400 men only maybe a half dozen were so overweight they would have had issues working but they were senior enlisted.
If the Pentagon was serious about crew readiness and ship readiness they would go back to a male crew only policy which has likely done much more damage to readiness than weight ever did. They strain at a gnat & swallow a camel. It's not the sailors weight that's the issue it's who they are allowing on ships who have no business ever being there to start with under any circumstance. I'd say someone finally drummed into the Morons heads that they need able bodied men capable of doing work requiring a larger framed men.
I would defer to your experience in these things since you likely have more specific knowledge of those things.
I was decrying the trend in general throughout the military to reduce physical standards, and we will will end up with the Swedish army or navy.
But as you inferred, they are not serious about readiness, they are serious about advancing women at all costs.
they may all float better. drowning resistant.
women will be treated equal except’when they do not want to be treated equal. thats how this crapola works out.
now imagine the current turnover in the services and who isnt there anymore and who is.
now imagine whats left and how they wont have much problem firing on peple like us.
I administered the PRTs when I was in the Navy Reserves. The current standards aren’t that hard to meet. Frankly, one needs a little bit of “oh, yeah, I’ll show you!” to make it in the military. No sailor should accept not being in the best possible shape they could be in.
I got screamed at my first drill weekend because I couldn’t master a basic exercise. I hit the gym hard the next month and came back able to do it.
I served 2 years active and 5 in reserve in the Navy and I agree with you fully.
You are correct...... MAKE A HOLE !!!. Breeder hips, bubble butt and thunder thighs coming through....MAKE WAY !!
Meanwhile in North Korea:
The soldier said that, despite lengthening of the required term of military service, the size of North Korea’s armed forces is destined to decrease because few people born during the 1994-98 “Great Famine,” and who are now of serving age, will be able to pass the KPA physical examination.
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/discharges-07172015142820.html
When I was in back in the early 70s there were a lot of fat Chiefs walking around with coffee cups. And a few First Class POs, too.
Daily NK, a Seoul-based online newspaper run by North Korean defectors, said the military has cut the minimum height to 142 centimetres from 145 cm.
All able-bodied North Korean males aged 16-17 must begin mandatory service that lasts about a decade. Women deemed fit must also serve for a shorter period in the 1.2 million-strong military, the world's fourth largest.
“There were too many short boys who don't meet the previous height requirement... so the military is now accepting all who are taller than 142 cm,” said a North Korean source quoted by Daily NK.
The average height for South Korean boys of the same age is about 172 cm.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/north-korea-cuts-minimum-height-for-military-conscripts-as-past-famine-consequences-hit/story-e6frg6so-1226316548817
142 cm = 4 ft 9 in
Looking around the base here I’d say it’s pretty loose already.
Fat people float better....
I never had a problem with passing the Army PT test, usually with a 80% score, but I was always fighting the battle with the scales, especially after I moved from line units into staff jobs.
Haha...you’re right
There certainly are big, strong people that can perform remarkable feats.
I don’t think these rule change have anything to do with keeping them in. On the contrary - given this administrations record - I am certain these rules are about letting people in and keeping them in - that should have never been in uniform in the first place.
I kept thinking for a long time, that all of these choices and unilateral decisions regarding the military personnel and equipment were simply ignorant and stupid. And there are some parts that are.
But I have come to believe overall, that they are more calculating and willful than ignorant and stupid. As Joseph McCarthy said in his somewhat flawed analysis of the actions of General George Marshall after WWII (and I paraphrase) “If his bad decisions were made from ignorance or stupidity, odds would dictate that at least some of them would be correct...”
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