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A potentially large group within Social Security are people who, in the language of federal gun laws, are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease."

In other words, ANYONE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A GUN.

1 posted on 07/18/2015 9:46:09 AM PDT by PROCON
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0bozo only has a few months left so he has to screw things up as much as possible.


37 posted on 07/18/2015 10:14:19 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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“marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease.”

Sounds like the whole Democratic party.

Works for me...


38 posted on 07/18/2015 10:16:04 AM PDT by Paisan
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F that N........
43 posted on 07/18/2015 10:25:27 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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People may chose to assign a power of attorney for reasons other than deminished mental capacity. Consider operations and/or treatments that carry significant risk or extended rehabilitation periods.

Otherwise... We know they have the new Obamacare questionnaires, among those questions is gun ownership. Did anyone really think that was simply for the sake of data collection?


44 posted on 07/18/2015 10:27:19 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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Obama's going after the Hells Grannies.
45 posted on 07/18/2015 10:32:44 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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a move that could affect millions whose monthly disability payments are handled by others.

I’m torn by this honestly......he is basically calling out his supporters who are the ones on silly disability social security. However, if looking strictly at 2nd Amendment....this is BS and should not be done.


48 posted on 07/18/2015 10:42:43 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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So, that means anyone needing taxpayer assistance as well (unable/unwilling to manage their own affairs they come hat in hand)??

If so, I presume there would be a *SURGE* in turn-ins in the inner-cities, eh?


49 posted on 07/18/2015 10:43:26 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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Notice how the real criminals are never the target?

Effing POS as is anyone who supports him.


50 posted on 07/18/2015 10:44:34 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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Some of my gun trust clients that have served in Afgantistan, Iraq and places that they couldn't tell me about have been asking me about thtis issue. I talked a little bit about it on the radio last weekend here in St. Louis.

The primary issues is that a VA determination of PTSD could be sufficient to cause a veteran to loose their gun rights under Title I of the GCA, specifically 18 USC 922(g)(4)

What I've been able to piece together so far is that a veteran recieves benefits from VA, either service related due to PTSD or physical injury or an recieviing VA Aid and Attendance due to impoverishment. VA determines, following assessment of the veteran, that he or she is not mentally capable of handling their finacial affairs, including VA benefits. They then appoint a " fiduciary" generally a family member to receive the benefits and use them for the benefit of the veteran. This "incapacity" determination is reported to BATFE (not sure of the mechanics), BATFE deems the veteran to be a prohibited person under 18 USC 922(g)(4), notifies the FBI who then updates NICS to indicatet that person is prohibited. Note that this determination is made by the VA without a judge. Any other person would at least have the opportunity to present a case to a judge preserving their due process rights, apparently not veterans.

So now this administrastion has figured out that if they can do this for veterans why not SSI recipeients? What about EBT card holders? Federal retirees? How many American's will loose their right to due process?

I have no information that BATFE has confiscated firearms already possessed by a veteran but my colleagues and I are actively looking for such cases. If you hear of one, please let me know off list.

Although you can't prevent this determination and loss of gun rights, you can make sure that a fiduciary YOU trust takes care of your guns. Create a gun trust that will allow YOUR fiduciary to manage YOUR guns not one that VA appoints. DO NOT USE an NFA only gun trust! Hire a competent estate planning attorney that is experienced with gun trusts.

/rant off

51 posted on 07/18/2015 10:48:59 AM PDT by shawnlaw
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We’ve got to keep guns away from all those crazy seniors who are gunning down people in our inner cities. /sarc


52 posted on 07/18/2015 10:49:19 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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Hmmm..arent there a lot of takers/Fakers on SSDI? Would this affect them?


53 posted on 07/18/2015 10:54:41 AM PDT by goodnesswins (hey..Wussie Americans....ISIS is coming. Are you ready?)
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I’m trying to figure this out. Are old people running around shooting at people with guns? Hmmmm, I didn’t think so.

It would make more sense to say no one on welfare can get guns and if while on welfare, you or someone in your family goes to jail for using a gun in a crime, the family loses their welfare check permanently.

I guarantee you’d see some baby mammas out there running up and down the street beating the rear ends off some of these boys.


54 posted on 07/18/2015 10:59:08 AM PDT by Waryone
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Has Obama noticed the elderly aren’t shooting each other in Chicago every weekend?


57 posted on 07/18/2015 11:00:52 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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This is not only an idea to get around the Second Amendment, but if you research a lot of black on white crime, it is the senior citizens that are getting beaten, sometimes to death, by Negro thugs.

Now, this mulatto Queer-In-Charge is desirous to place ALL those of retirement age into a status of sheep among the wolves, literally. Just another nice, quiet, compasionate way a la Soviets to rid the country of those who do not and cannot work for the good of the State.


59 posted on 07/18/2015 11:17:16 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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I'm glad to see this. The number of murders perpetrated by Seniors 65 and older is getting outrageous.

The 65+ numbers on this chart by the FBI show why nobama and his minions are so anxious to take away the guns.

If I'm figuring this correctly, Seniors with guns account for 1.27% of US murders. Entirely unacceptable. If just one of these murders can be stopped by taking away a Senior's gun...

60 posted on 07/18/2015 11:25:31 AM PDT by upchuck (There is no coexisting with those who want to destroy us from within.)
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....”the right of the People to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!”

go back to your own IslamoNazi Krapistan, O, and stop Phuq*ing up America!


63 posted on 07/18/2015 11:39:47 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (For in much wisdom is much vexation; and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.)
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"Grandpa died last week and now he's buried beneath the rocks.

Everyone still talks about how badly they were shocked.

But me, I expected it to happen.

I knew he'd lost control when he built a fire on Main St

And shot it full of holes."

B. Dylan

66 posted on 07/18/2015 11:50:24 AM PDT by HandyDandy (Don't make-up stuff. It just wastes everybody's time.)
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I would rather forgo mental health care than risk my right to keep and bear arms. I hope most of the elderly feel the same. I would rather have older Americans with guns, even if those Americans are not entirely stable, than face a country in which the only firearms belong to Obama’s “civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military. We’ve seen that America (in Sanford, Ferguson, and then Baltimore), and it’s not pretty for decent people.


67 posted on 07/18/2015 12:12:08 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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“We” kemo sabe?


68 posted on 07/18/2015 12:14:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I misunderstood your post. My apologies.


69 posted on 07/18/2015 12:15:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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