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To: null and void; Nachum; Kartographer; LucyT; butterdezillion; INVAR; Dick Bachert; GOPJ; BCW; ...
H/T to our FRiend bob_denard for the post.

While not strictly the usual for the Watchman List, this could still be for your consideration.

While I personally do not believe a secession movement will gain any traction, should there be a groundswell of support for the idea, we may see the full weight of the Leftists come down hard upon them - and they must be prepared for that: MSM, social media, the activist judiciary, and the Executive Branch as a whole.

For thus has the Lord said unto me:
“Go, set a watchman, Let him declare what he sees.”
Isaiah 21:6

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36 posted on 07/14/2015 9:29:34 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: Old Sarge; LibertarianLiz; GenXteacher; central_va; Crim; wideawake; bgill; TexasGunLover

This is an interesting article and rather than do 15 separate posts, I’ll just do one.

I like this analogy so I’ll continue to use it. The situation that conservatives face right now is like a very bad marriage. Over a space of years, the wife in this marriage has burned down the house, shot the dog, sold the kid’s kidneys on craigslist, and drained the family bank account to buy crack. And now, we’ve come home and found the wife banging the neighbors on the front yard. A marriage like this is beyond the scope of marital counseling. And the answers to the question : “what to do?” strike me as being remarkably similar. Denial, divorce, continuing to be cuckolded, abandonment, domestic violence, seeking an accomodation outside of the marriage,seem to all be discussed.

I’ll start this by noting that I am not a fan of political secession. Mostly because I think there is a better than fair chance that a lot of dead Americans would be the end result. The cure is worse than the disease. So to continue the analogy, I’m not interested in any domestic violence “solution.”

There is the argument that secession would be a peaceful and amicable divorce. I guess that’s possible, but so far I see nothing in the actions of the uniparty political leadership to indicate any hesitation in implementing the worst kinds of repression if that would maintain their grip on power. Civil disobedience, peaceful secession, article V conventions all implicitly assume that the opposition has some civility, honor, and decency.
My observation is that those virtues seem to be lacking in the population in general and the political class in particular.

There is also the prideful, hopeful solution. One that says by gosh we can turn this around! I would argue that’s just denial by another name. Where is the evidence that there will be a sudden political epiphany? What has changed? “This time will be different” isn’t a plan, it’s the mantra of a battered spouse.

There is also the tacit acceptance of the status quo. Where we accept that we’re dealing with a two-timing, addicted, vengeful, amoral counterpart and accept our cuckolding. Not a very hopeful solution. Not much better or different than denial.

And then there is the approach of accommodation outside the marriage. Kind of like acceptance on the one hand, but living your life as best you can outside the marriage. In case you couldn’t tell, this is the alternative I favor.

Politics is in my view a lagging indicator to economics and culture. If secession is ever seriously considered it will be because the economics and culture have already changed. I’ll also note that just because a relatively few people favor secession at this point doesn’t mean that it won’t gain traction later. Some of the more strident and dare I say panicky posts on this thread would lead me to conclude that the idea is gaining some traction.


74 posted on 07/14/2015 1:01:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and fools)
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To: Old Sarge
It's not like the country belongs to liberals... the United States belongs to all Americans. If we ALL want the country divided it's legal.

Pass an amendment - have it ratified by two-thirds of the States ... Write it up - send it down...

Liberals don't want to live with us anymore than we want to live with them. It's a win for both sides. A nice long term solution...

Democrats would love having a country made up of white liberal elites, blacks, illegals, dependent women, and union leaders. It would be heaven for them.

A dream come true -- dreams of their fathers... dreams of the 'dreamers'... dreams of delusions and madness... Every city could be a sanctuary city - every police force stripped of power, every 'program' funded...

And for us - just being away from them would be reward enough... Democrats will join us for this one.... both sides want out - this is a winnah!

81 posted on 07/14/2015 2:36:11 PM PDT by GOPJ (An armed nuclear Iran is Obama's legacy. Freeper seawolf101)
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To: Old Sarge
While I personally do not believe a secession movement will gain any traction, should there be a groundswell of support for the idea, we may see the full weight of the Leftists come down hard upon them - and they must be prepared for that: MSM, social media, the activist judiciary, and the Executive Branch as a whole.

Which is exactly why the image of the flag of the Confederacy terrifies them so.

Long may it wave!


90 posted on 07/15/2015 8:50:08 AM PDT by archy
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