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To: Old Sarge; LibertarianLiz; GenXteacher; central_va; Crim; wideawake; bgill; TexasGunLover

This is an interesting article and rather than do 15 separate posts, I’ll just do one.

I like this analogy so I’ll continue to use it. The situation that conservatives face right now is like a very bad marriage. Over a space of years, the wife in this marriage has burned down the house, shot the dog, sold the kid’s kidneys on craigslist, and drained the family bank account to buy crack. And now, we’ve come home and found the wife banging the neighbors on the front yard. A marriage like this is beyond the scope of marital counseling. And the answers to the question : “what to do?” strike me as being remarkably similar. Denial, divorce, continuing to be cuckolded, abandonment, domestic violence, seeking an accomodation outside of the marriage,seem to all be discussed.

I’ll start this by noting that I am not a fan of political secession. Mostly because I think there is a better than fair chance that a lot of dead Americans would be the end result. The cure is worse than the disease. So to continue the analogy, I’m not interested in any domestic violence “solution.”

There is the argument that secession would be a peaceful and amicable divorce. I guess that’s possible, but so far I see nothing in the actions of the uniparty political leadership to indicate any hesitation in implementing the worst kinds of repression if that would maintain their grip on power. Civil disobedience, peaceful secession, article V conventions all implicitly assume that the opposition has some civility, honor, and decency.
My observation is that those virtues seem to be lacking in the population in general and the political class in particular.

There is also the prideful, hopeful solution. One that says by gosh we can turn this around! I would argue that’s just denial by another name. Where is the evidence that there will be a sudden political epiphany? What has changed? “This time will be different” isn’t a plan, it’s the mantra of a battered spouse.

There is also the tacit acceptance of the status quo. Where we accept that we’re dealing with a two-timing, addicted, vengeful, amoral counterpart and accept our cuckolding. Not a very hopeful solution. Not much better or different than denial.

And then there is the approach of accommodation outside the marriage. Kind of like acceptance on the one hand, but living your life as best you can outside the marriage. In case you couldn’t tell, this is the alternative I favor.

Politics is in my view a lagging indicator to economics and culture. If secession is ever seriously considered it will be because the economics and culture have already changed. I’ll also note that just because a relatively few people favor secession at this point doesn’t mean that it won’t gain traction later. Some of the more strident and dare I say panicky posts on this thread would lead me to conclude that the idea is gaining some traction.


74 posted on 07/14/2015 1:01:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and fools)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Yours is a reasonable post.

As I always say on these threads, let me know when some folks in Texas’ elected office are advocating secession.

So far I don’t think there are any (although I’m 800 miles away).

Because the legislature isn’t going to wake up one morning and pass that legislation.


75 posted on 07/14/2015 1:05:54 PM PDT by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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To: RKBA Democrat
And then there is the approach of accommodation outside the marriage. Kind of like acceptance on the one hand, but living your life as best you can outside the marriage. In case you couldn’t tell, this is the alternative I favor.

Except the other party in the dispute is not going to be leaving us alone. As Erick Erickson over at Red State is fond of saying: "You will be made to care."

It would be nice if we could all "live and let live"; but, the progressives will not allow that. They will not leave you or I alone. We must comply.

Remember, the Gays started out telling us that they just wanted to be left alone to live their lives. Well, how has that worked out? It is a preview of what to expect from the Left. They are never satisfied, they never stop, they never run out of causes, they never will let you live your life. You must accept, and more, you must celebrate. So, I agree with wanting to wait it out; I'm just not sure that the current population of the U.S. will allow anyone to exist who doesn't agree with their POV.

83 posted on 07/14/2015 3:17:35 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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