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"The law that says people have to obey court orders."

Ok...so you admit the children havent been charged with any crimes then?

This is about the CHILDREN refusing the order of the court to "be nice to daddy or else" and none of the court action is directed at the Mother other than to deny visitation or contact.

"It is unfortunate that the mother has so twisted her children’s minds or has allowed them to become so defiant that the situation has deteriorated to this point.

And how exactly do you know that? based on the word of one party in court and an obviously biased judge?

From what I have read from people who know the mother and children there are no stories of brainwashing or manipluation being offered....just a normal mom and kids....all the horror stories are coming from the father.

And do you have kids?

I do...some in their 20's one as young as 13...they have a mind of their own you know.....there was time period during my divorce where my youngest daughter wanted nothing to do with her mother and her boyfriend she made her wishes known...her wishes were honored and she lived with me for about a year... and barely talked to her mom and would only go somewhere with her without her boyfriend around.

After the boyfriend thing played out and they broke up...she made up with her mom and now she lives with her mom....no big damn deal...I miss her but she comes over any time she wants for as long as she wants...and I'm am glad my ex is pulling her head out of her ass at least as far as repairing her relationship with the kids.....they all hated her guts for quite a while and wouldnt even speak to her after I found out she was having an affair.

It is unfortunate that mothers have been allowed to get away with disobeying court orders for denying visitation to fathers.

See what you did there?....you totally went into generalization...you over layed a template of presupposition upon this specific case and assume that is what's going on.

And I have yet to see a court record listing the violations...will read them if they surface

All too often children learn that if they just hold out, they will get their way. Mom won’t buy them a candy at the store? Throw a tantrum til she gives in... because people say exactly what you are saying: why are you torturing the kid? Give him a candy so he’ll stop screaming! Etc. What sort of people do these children grow up to be?

Non sequiter....what about these children.

And so, here we are. From reading the transcript, it seems that this has been a long on-going situation which we are seeing the end of..

Yep and ifor one would like to see the rest of the court records to get a better sence of the history of these court appearences.

All that the children had to do was to go to lunch and behave like human beings towards their father for one hour. The children made their decisions. So be it.

Throw away the key....they need to be taught a lesson....little ingrates. /sarc

Here is a link to an article which includes 2 complete requests to the court which include references to the counselor’s and psychologist’s finding that the mother is engaged in alienating the children from their father and various other “difficulties” the mother has caused, and one finding or result.

http://everything-pr.com/omer-tsimhoni-maya-eibschitz-legal-case/258402/

If a court orders someone to do something, and they refuse to do it, then they are in violation of a court order and can be jailed or fined. This is a really normal part of the US legal system.

Now, you have apparently heard the mother’s side from people who know the mother. I have heard tales of divorces from both sides, and one would never dream that the two were divorcing each other, the stories were so different.

In reading the court transcript of the proceeding which resulted in the children’s being taken to CV, the judge also mentions having heard the mother previously speaking to the children in an alienating way about their father.

WRT my general statements, they were general statements. However, in the interview with the father and in the link above, it would seem that this particular mother had also been uncooperative wrt the father’s rights.

I do have children, about the same ages as yours, oddly enough, and yes, they probably would be upset with the parent who broke up the family. In this case, it was the mother’s decision to break up the family...

Of course, neither my children nor yours have any more to do with this situation than do the generalized children I brought up (which I did more as a comment on your attitude than on the case we are discussing).

You apparently did not engage in a pattern of vilifying your wife to your children, as everyone actually involved in the case with full access to court and psychological records seems to agree this mother was doing. The children’s lawyers, the GAL, etc, did not protest the removal of the children from under the mother’s influence.

The fact that people you know who know the mother and children say they are seemed normal.... how many times have people who have known people involved in a serious problem say, “They always seemed nice and normal!”