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To: Vermont Lt
Are we supposed to be happy because there WAS slavery, but it was too expensive for most people?

What am I supposed to take away from this article?

That you have been lied to. That the people who have taught you about the civil war have mislead you.

Originally it was deliberate. Subsequently it was out of ignorance. Modern people don't even know the truth themselves.

98.6 % of the population did not fight the Union Invasion to protect the 1.4% slave owners, they did it because their homeland was invaded.

They fought because they didn't want Washington D.C. to tell them what to do; A position with which I greatly empathize.

95 posted on 07/07/2015 8:06:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

I grew up in the north with a “traditional” education about the civil war.

I understand the position of states rights, and as I got older and give it two seconds of thought, it was pretty clear that owning a slave was an expensive proposition. I think the part of our education that was lacking significantly was the part where students were taught to “think about slavery” aside from the slave trader stories and the exchange of slaves for the production of rum.

From my own family, I have one side who were dedicated Vermont civil war vets. The story coming down from that side tells us that they were loyal union citizens who wanted to perserve the union and fight against slavery. This comes from family folk history.

Of course, they were pretty simple folk and they did what they were told, and believed in their “patriotic” duty. I am sure they stood across the field with men with whom they had much more in common—poor, farmers, doing what they were told.

The other side of my family was industrialists. They made hundreds of thousands of dollars selling arms and blankets from their mills in Holyoke MA and their armories in New Haven. I can assure you, their treatment of their own immigrant factory workers was only this much (holding my fingers about 1/16th of an inch apart) better than slaves. In fact, after 16 hours of work, my forefathers probably did not a give a $hit their people got fed. Slave owners did.

So, my perspective on the civil war from a familial side differs greatly from the average northerner. My family grew up having access to a portion of an estate that was pretty significant in the 1870’s. I still own 3.5 acres of that estate—five generations removed.

My grandparents (born in the 1890s) were the first of their families to go to college—certainly the sign of an “upper crust” family. By the time my parents came around, the money was gone but not the upper class snobbery. My mom still shows signs of it once in a while as she slides into dementia as she approaches 90 years old.

The lesson of the civil war to me, as I approach my late fifties, is that there was a group of northern industrialists who made a ton of money off from the civil war, sending my fathers ancestors south to fight for something they did not feel THAT strongly about.

The older, more politically savvy member of my generation looks at the southern part of this just as cynically. I believe that the average southern counterpart of my father’s family was doing what they were told, they saw the potential economic collapse of their “system” and they probably had some fear of having to “compete” with the lower class “negro”, whom they considered an inferior race.

On the aristocratic side—more along the lines of my John Parker Lindsay character (Gun maker and inventor)—you saw the economnic class of the south (the slaveholders) fearing for the loss of their fortunes.

As it has been since the dawn of man, the fight was over one side wanting what the other side had.

I think the “fight to free the slaves” was a good rallying cry as the battles went on and the thought process of the front line men turned to, “Why the hell am I 1,500 miles from home shooting up some guy and burning his home.” It gave the Union “moral cover.”

In the end, my great, great, great grandfather JPL settled down with his riches and lived off his investments and his large farm in Vermont. In the late 70’s his name, and his descendents names on my college application made me a legacy. I got into my college in three days from application to acceptance.

So, I benefited from my families profiteering from the civil war almost directly. It has been part of my family’s lore since I can remember.

But, bringing this back to the article in question, I understand the point about not everyone owning slaves. Anyone with a sixth grade education understands that owning slaves was a rich man’s game.

I understand the economics of the south and how they were used. I understand at the time slavery was a “norm.”

But the Congregationalist Yankee conservative nature of my moral upbringing just cannot conceive of anyone thinking it was OK to buy and sell another human. I probably would have been a disappointment to my forefathers. I can see myself being an abolitionist. In fact, I see myself as one now—longing for the yoke of slavery to the state being lifted from my shoulders.

Long post, but that’s how I came to my thinking on the civil war.


149 posted on 07/07/2015 10:06:38 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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