Posted on 07/04/2015 2:18:46 PM PDT by upchuck
Federal government is currently crafting a mandate that would require all new vehicles to “talk” to each other continuously. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration plans to submit their proposed “connected car” rule by the end of this year.
Vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communication technology has been developed by top automakers over the past decade and is ready for commercialization. It uses a combination of Wi-Fi, GPS data, and sensor data collected by the vehicle to transmit a signal on speed and position 10 times a second.
Like so many technologies, V2V is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it has great potential to reduce car crashes, which claim 37,000 lives a year in the U.S. It also means that your driving data will be broadcast openly, making it easy for interested parties to intercept this information.
“V2V ups privacy concerns because it essentially broadcasts a vehicle’s location and speed, as well as some information about where a vehicle has been previously, to anyone within range. And while Department of Transportation officials told the GAO that “V2V communication security system would contain multiple technical, physical, and organizational controls to minimize privacy risks—including the risk of vehicle tracking by individuals and government or commercial entities,” regulating who can use V2V data and for what would fall outside the Department of Transportation’s span of control. It would essentially require legislation by Congress.”
Considering the mass surveillance being carried out by the National Security Agency and other agencies, it is highly unlikely that authorities would ignore this potent source of information. Local governments could use the data to track those they consider “bad actors.”
The little box strapped to the next road sign about shoulder height is the perfect innocuous location for the small receiver and interface into the network that already has been built to support roadside information signs and traffic monitoring video.
As an example of network load, the heaviest traffic count at any single location in Missouri is at the Blanchette Memorial Bridge where I-70 crosses the Missouri River west of St. Louis. In 2008 the daily traffic count was about 150,000 vehicles a day.
If all vehicles were able to be monitored so their unique IDs could be captured along with a time stamp, 150k packets of info per day is nothing for a computer network that is already provisioned to carry video feeds.
Going someplace naughty? Your big brother will want to know.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
— Clive Staples Lewis
1. The debt is unsustainable and will continue to pile up, as long as voters are presented with candidates most appealing the political class (liars, big spenders, not even Americans of many generations of American heritage, some not even born on U.S. soil). Bond collapse, viral interest rates, falling markets, debt collapse...the vicious circle of decline and repudiations of debt must follow.
Money of real value does not grow on trees and is not fabricated in any way without real assets being manufactured. And foreign slave nations eventually figure out that they’ve been had (e.g., China). Forced small government results in nations with leaders who wanted “empire.” It’s already happening in lesser ways in smaller nations that are only propped up a little by interests in larger nations. Big constituent frogs in the shadows of small ponds have been deposed.
2. Real estate will continue to decline. “Property values” is no longer a useful excuse. Local regulatory offices are useless and paid without a cause. Close them.
3. Some very strong influences have joined open source equipment design and development for a much more distributed economy. They know that it is the great investment of the future.
It’s nothing new. After government-controlling constituent groups with prohibitions against new, domestic competition have their way, most adults are relegated to idleness and looking for ways out. Consumer spending drops. After so many balance of payments deficits (trade imbalances), debts pile up.
Not all consumers are intentionally stupid and only worthy of being exterminated in some slow processes of attrition. As a matter of fact, many of them are the real makers. The real helplessness will be realized by those who think they’ve got it made for now.
Public school teachers and many other kinds of government employees and pensioners should start looking for real, productive jobs.
“Sounds grim. Think I’ll put off buying new wheels until right before this stuff becomes mandatory.”
Well, if they try it, we will really get to see if the “motoring public” has become as stupid as the voters have since 1974, won’t we! Oh wait, they’re the same bunch.
I’ve been thinking about getting a crate flatheads motor. They usually come with a warrantee too. I want Edelbrock, etc, stuff. two carbs minimum. I want a Fifties street rod!
Under our present Marxist totalitarian regime in progress, “everything can go wrong”.
This is not even a “Trust but Verify” situation.
It is a “Total Distrust” reality.
My question is “When is the American public going to strike back at the government’s totalitarian reach”? When are they going to tell the car manufacturers I won’t buy your surveillance products?
So far Donald Trump is the only significant American to stand up to the hardcore left, the asskissing RIONS, and the great Unwashed/uneducated citizenry.
I’m hoping that Ted Cruz will back him and make a new political partnership for the sake of America.
I suspect the Feds will make illegal to tamper with or block the signals. Just like they have done with airbags.
I’d also like to make the top removable. Shouldn’t be too hard. Like a convertible in nice weather.
There have also been some shops that made custom soft tops. Don’t know whether those are still around. If low cost is needed, though, it can be done at home.
For hardtops, there is steel work, of course. But there are also many instructional videos at YouTube for making body components from fiberglass, carbon fiber and various composite/lamination combinations. Windows can be sliding, tilt-out, zippered soft plastic or whatever. Just make sure that there’s some tubing or other framework to keep any body parts that might come loose (or get knocked loose) from hitting passengers.
You are true to your ‘name”
So let’s have it be voluntary - and you get your tracker-car and leave us our own choice?
I couldn't agree more. What Trump is saying is right on the money in a lot of ways, but he has espoused positions in the past that are not acceptable (e.g. support for single-payer health care). For that matter, Cruz is not perfect either.
But I would take either (or both) over anyone else who is now in the race, with the possible exception of Walker. As for the rest, they can all go pound sand.
Not only will it be illegal, but they will mandate that the systems will be designed so that if the surveillance features are disabled, the car will not run at all.
I work in this industry...you can imply I’ve no clue if you want but 40000 road deaths a year is no joke. Also remember, driving is a privilege, not a right.
This isn’t being done to track you. None of us want that and we have the same privacy concerns. Security is taken very seriously, these are complex systems and security is considered at every level.
I understand the concerns but this will save lives and all the car makers are on this path. It is coming.
How many of you have a smartphone?? You should be far more worried about that. What does Apple do that you don’t know about?? Don’t get me started with Google.
Okay, but your original comment was about your perceived waste of seconds, that add up to hours over your lifetime, at red lights with no one coming in the cross direction.
Perceived??? It happens constantly, everywhere I go. This short range data is the best way to handle traffic...existing systems have limits.
No, it's a right, not a privilege. The freedom to use the public roads is a right that goes back before the Roman Empire.
"Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience. - Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago, 169 NE 22 ("Regulated" here means traffic safety enforcement, stop lights, signs, etc. NOT a privilege that requires permission i.e.- licensing, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, etc.)This isn’t being done to track you."The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."- Thompson v Smith, 154 SE 579.
"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th Amendment." - Kent v Dulles, 357 U.S. 116, 125.
"...completely within the protection of the Constitution as the... liberty to go when and where one will." Coppage v. Kansas, 236 U.S. 1, at 14, 23-24 (1915).
"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any State is a right secured by the l4th Amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." - Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293.
This isn’t currently being done to track you, but it is axiomatic that it will lay the groundwork for that purpose as well.
How many of you have a smartphone?? You should be far more worried about that. What does Apple do that you don’t know about?? Don’t get me started with Google.
Skynet isn't going to be a run amok machine or even a collection of them. It's going to be a massive network of interconnected electronic leashes and enforcers doing the will of a ruling elite and in accordance with their whims.
Sometime tyranny arrives not by the force of goose-stepping armies, but by brightly colored chains slowly and incrementally tightening around our lives.
And always we are assured that it is for our health and safety, for fairness, equality, and justice for all.
A while back on another thread, on the subject of self-driving cars, I was assured by another FReeper that the degree of control and surveillance I envisioned “could not happen here”.
Not only CAN it happen, people like that make it easier for our would-be masters to MAKE it happen.
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