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Test Pilot Admits the F-35 Can’t Dogfight
War is Boring ^ | 06/29/2015 | DAVID AXE

Posted on 06/30/2015 5:50:20 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

A test pilot has some very, very bad news about the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The pricey new stealth jet can’t turn or climb fast enough to hit an enemy plane during a dogfight or to dodge the enemy’s own gunfire, the pilot reported following a day of mock air battles back in January.

“The F-35 was at a distinct energy disadvantage,” the unnamed pilot wrote in a scathing five-page brief that War Is Boring has obtained. The brief is unclassified but is labeled “for official use only.”

The test pilot’s report is the latest evidence of fundamental problems with the design of the F-35 — which, at a total program cost of more than a trillion dollars, is history’s most expensive weapon.

The U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps — not to mention the air forces and navies of more than a dozen U.S. allies — are counting on the Lockheed Martin-made JSF to replace many if not most of their current fighter jets.

And that means that, within a few decades, American and allied aviators will fly into battle in an inferior fighter — one that could get them killed … and cost the United States control of the air.

The fateful test took place on Jan. 14, 2015, apparently within the Sea Test Range over the Pacific Ocean near Edwards Air Force Base in California. The single-seat F-35A with the designation “AF-02” — one of the older JSFs in the Air Force — took off alongside a two-seat F-16D Block 40, one of the types of planes the F-35 is supposed to replace.

The two jets would be playing the roles of opposing fighters in a pretend air battle, which the Air Force organized specifically to test out the F-35’s prowess as a close-range dogfighter in an air-to-air tangle involving high “angles of attack,” or AoA, and “aggressive stick/pedal inputs.”

In other words, the F-35 pilot would fly his jet hard, turning and maneuvering in order to “shoot down” the F-16, whose pilot would be doing his own best to evade and kill the F-35.

“The evaluation focused on the overall effectiveness of the aircraft in performing various specified maneuvers in a dynamic environment,” the F-35 tester wrote. “This consisted of traditional Basic Fighter Maneuvers in offensive, defensive and neutral setups at altitudes ranging from 10,000 to 30,000 feet.”

The F-35 was flying “clean,” with no weapons in its bomb bay or under its wings and fuselage. The F-16, by contrast, was hauling two bulky underwing drop tanks, putting the older jet at an aerodynamic disadvantage.

But the JSF’s advantage didn’t actually help in the end. The stealth fighter proved too sluggish to reliably defeat the F-16, even with the F-16 lugging extra fuel tanks. “Even with the limited F-16 target configuration, the F-35A remained at a distinct energy disadvantage for every engagement,” the pilot reported.

The defeated flier’s five-page report is a damning litany of aerodynamic complaints targeting the cumbersome JSF. “Insufficient pitch rate.” “Energy deficit to the bandit would increase over time.” “The flying qualities in the blended region (20–26 degrees AoA) were not intuitive or favorable.”

The F-35 jockey tried to target the F-16 with the stealth jet’s 25-millimeter cannon, but the smaller F-16 easily dodged. “Instead of catching the bandit off-guard by rapidly pull aft to achieve lead, the nose rate was slow, allowing him to easily time his jink prior to a gun solution,” the JSF pilot complained.

And when the pilot of the F-16 turned the tables on the F-35, maneuvering to put the stealth plane in his own gunsight, the JSF jockey found he couldn’t maneuver out of the way, owing to a “lack of nose rate.”

The F-35 pilot came right out and said it — if you’re flying a JSF, there’s no point in trying to get into a sustained, close turning battle with another fighter. “There were not compelling reasons to fight in this region.” God help you if the enemy surprises you and you have no choice but to turn.

The JSF tester found just one way to win a short-range air-to-air engagement — by performing a very specific maneuver. “Once established at high AoA, a prolonged full rudder input generated a fast enough yaw rate to create excessive heading crossing angles with opportunities to point for missile shots.”

But there’s a problem — this sliding maneuver bleeds energy fast. “The technique required a commitment to lose energy and was a temporary opportunity prior to needing to regain energy … and ultimately end up defensive again.” In other words, having tried the trick once, an F-35 pilot is out of options and needs to get away quick.

And to add insult to injury, the JSF flier discovered he couldn’t even comfortably move his head inside the radar-evading jet’s cramped cockpit. “The helmet was too large for the space inside the canopy to adequately see behind the aircraft.” That allowed the F-16 to sneak up on him.

In the end, the F-35 — the only new fighter jet that America and most of its allies are developing — is demonstrably inferior in a dogfight with the F-16, which the U.S. Air Force first acquired in the late 1970s.

The test pilot explained that he has also flown 1980s-vintage F-15E fighter-bombers and found the F-35 to be “substantially inferior” to the older plane when it comes to managing energy in a close battle.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; davidaxe; f16; f35; lockheedmartin; warisboring
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1 posted on 06/30/2015 5:50:20 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Never let em get that close!


2 posted on 06/30/2015 5:51:13 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Any idiot can look at the Pug and see it is not a maneuverable platform.


3 posted on 06/30/2015 5:53:03 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A trillion dollar hangar queen. F-22 has it beat hands down.


4 posted on 06/30/2015 5:53:27 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Did they switch pilots and repeat the test?

It is possible the F16 jockey is just a better pilot.


5 posted on 06/30/2015 5:54:42 AM PDT by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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To: G Larry

When I first saw the half-miilion dollar bulky helmet I questioned whether it would give advantage.


6 posted on 06/30/2015 5:56:05 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (NSA: The only government agency that really listens.)
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To: WayneS
It is possible the F16 jockey is just a better pilot.

My first thought too.

If they get the same result from multiple pilots, there may be something here.

One guy, though, could be said to be sour grapes at being bested in the air by a better stick.

7 posted on 06/30/2015 6:00:32 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: G Larry
Don't know anything about flying, so obviously have no idea whether this is a real problem or not, but as a layman this doesn't seem like a good thing after spending near a trillion dollars. Seems like the only thing that sets the F35 apart is stealth, and this makes me wonder what would happen if the enemy finds the means to overcome the stealth?

I also wonder if things might not dramatically change anyway, such that we have central ‘command’ aircraft from which multiple unmanned drones are launched and controlled in combat. Have no idea, but hope that the people making the military plans for the future do.

8 posted on 06/30/2015 6:01:02 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“at a total program cost of more than a trillion dollars”

This is it in a nutshell. The program inertia is too great to pull the plug on this thing. Also, too many clients/builders involved.


9 posted on 06/30/2015 6:01:10 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Except when it comes to the F-35s primary mission, which is dropping air to ground ordnance.


10 posted on 06/30/2015 6:06:08 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A trillion dollars. For an airplane. Just absorb that figure for a moment. And tell me again why the Pentagon needs even MORE of our money to waste?


11 posted on 06/30/2015 6:08:36 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: USNBandit

But to a non-expert in such matters, it seemed too pricey.


12 posted on 06/30/2015 6:11:45 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: bigdaddy45
A trillion dollars.

Is that:

1) the total cost for designing and building the entire proposed F-35 fleet?

2) the prorated cost to field one of the F-35 aircraft?

3) the factory production cost of a single F-35 aircraft?

13 posted on 06/30/2015 6:15:01 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: G Larry

I see no problems that another 20 years of development and $2 trillion can’t fix.


14 posted on 06/30/2015 6:15:26 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: USNBandit

You are correct about the aircraft’s primary mission.

That being the case, though, doesn’t logic dictate that it be classified as an [A]ttack plane or a [B]omber instead of as a [F]ighter?


15 posted on 06/30/2015 6:17:55 AM PDT by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The F-35 was flying “clean,” with no weapons in its bomb bay or under its wings and fuselage. The F-16, by contrast, was hauling two bulky underwing drop tanks, putting the older jet at an aerodynamic disadvantage.

Duck. Sitting...........................

16 posted on 06/30/2015 6:19:56 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: headstamp 2

To big to fail?......................


17 posted on 06/30/2015 6:20:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: G Larry

This is a surprise to nobody. Their missions are different and so are their abilities. The F-16 (even the 2-place version) is one of the most agile fighters around. The original 1-seater was designed specifically to be an inexpensive dog-fighter and it turned out to be nearly as good as the twin-engine F-15 (which was our number one air superiority weapon).

The F-35, designed by Congress and by DOD committees, was to be a slow, stealthy, more capable ordinance platform to replace the incredible F-117 (Incredible because it flew at all).

Oldplayer

Oldplayer


18 posted on 06/30/2015 6:21:11 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: WayneS

Basic physics. Wide jets are not maneuverable. There is going to be a lot of air resistance when the plain changes direction.


19 posted on 06/30/2015 6:21:30 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Red Badger

I am sure our allies are just thrilled about getting these aircraft. The British have a new carrier and these aircraft will be on it....


20 posted on 06/30/2015 6:22:52 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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