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To: Nero Germanicus
I have no idea why you feel the need to persist with that blatant lie. Are you really that desperate to win a minor debating point? You have deteriorated to pathetic.

You aren't clear on which point you consider to be a "Blatant Lie" so I'm going to have to assume it's my reference to the Official certification which says:

I certify this is a true copy or Abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii state department of health.

That bolded section is a legal loophole through which you could drive a Mac truck. It removes any credibility which the document might have possessed. It basically says this document could be an abstract of a record which has been manipulated by the Department of Health in Hawaii. Other evidence supports this conclusion as well.

It makes the document uncertain as to whether or not it is an original record or a subsequently manipulated one with the original being occluded.

As only something which demonstrates conclusively that Obama was physically born in Hawaii can grant the 14th amendment citizenship which is his only claim to citizenship at all, this document is useless and non dispositive.

Again I remind you that I have been adopted and have two birth certificates, the second one filled with non-true information.
Again I remind you that there is quite a lot of evidence to indicate Obama was also adopted, and so his original document has very likely been replaced with a certificate altered by judicial process.

You just choose to absolutely dismiss these valid claims demonstrating that what has been submitted isn't good enough to establish the facts which due diligence requires to be in compliance with Article II.

No, my point isn't a "blatant lie." It is a valid point which you absolutely refuse to address or deal with, preferring instead to constantly cite the quantities of people who are such shallow thinkers that the very probable possibility I mention above hasn't intruded on their consciousness.

In other words, you continue to cite ignorant, arrogant, simpleminded stupid people who think following a ritual is more important than truth.

237 posted on 07/02/2015 6:11:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

An abstract is a short form. A copy is a long form. The certification stamp covers both documents. It says NOTHING whatsoever about not standing by the information contained on the document. Not one word.
Every birth certificate has the same wording.
The proof is in the pudding, everyone in an ifficial capacity who received a copy of the long form containing that certification wording ACCEPTED IT.
That’s 11 judges/justices and two Secretaries of State.


238 posted on 07/02/2015 7:30:54 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Again I remind you that I have been adopted and have two birth certificates, the second one filled with non-true information.”

Is the place of birth the same for both BCs?

“Again I remind you that there is quite a lot of evidence to indicate Obama was also adopted, and so his original document has very likely been replaced with a certificate altered by judicial process.”

What evidence is there of an adoption?


265 posted on 07/03/2015 8:31:41 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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