Posted on 06/26/2015 4:00:53 PM PDT by Isara
“How is tyranny to be restrained?”
By a really TOUGH tyrant, that’s how! /s;)
The question is whether you would rather have war even if you could have the government you want by peaceful means? You simply will not answer the question. I believe you're concealing a mad desire to make war. More, you will not tolerate others seeking to obtain good government by peaceful means because that frustrates your desire for bloodshed.
If I am wrong all you have to do is say so.
But then you must explain, if you're intellectually honest, why you're opposed to trying to find a reasonable and peaceful way to good government.
INVAR not once but repeatedly has declined to deny that he actually seeks violent overthrow of the government. I invite the interested reader to review the entire thread to realize that the concerns raised on these threads by the same critics have been refuted over and over again. I invite the interested reader to review the entire thread to consider whether the critics are animated by good and decent motive.
Mindless repetition of the idea that lawless politicians will not be made law-abiding by a mere constitutional amendment is preposterous and has been shown to be preposterous on its face. One need only consider the amendment proposed by Senator Cruz to require federal judges to periodically stand for election or recall. The amendment is self enforcing, either the judge or Justice is confirmed in his office or he goes. There is nothing Washington politicians can do to work around this amendment to the Constitution.
These "process" amendments are structural and therefore are self effectuating and very difficult to evade. Other such amendments include term limits as well as a requirement that bureaucratic regulations be confirmed by the Congress or they lapse if not confirmed. These structural changes are self enforcing, Congress either votes the regulation up or Congress votes the regulation down. There is no guarantee of political success but certainly the amendment will be effectuated.
Structural amendments clearly have the power to restore our Constitution. To deny this reality by mindlessly repeating a mantra as does INVAR that tyrannical politicians will remain tyrannical is a tautology without application to structural changes. Those posters like INVAR who engage in this practice out of questionable perhaps even the darkest motives do so having been fully informed of the power of structural "process" amendments.
The upside of Article V is demonstrably real, the downside is fully contained, there is no better way short of the violence some actually seek. Do not be deceived, do not let the debate be sidetracked, do not lose whatever chance Article V holds for the future of your children and grandchildren.
Huh, this country elected Clinton twice and Obama twice. What's so magical about elections?
As a matter of fact, the delegates to the Constitutional Convention had discussed delegating to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate banking. But the issue was dropped, the states wanting such powers to remain unique state powers.
A proposition was made to them to authorize Congress to open canals, and an amendatory one to empower them to incorporate. But the whole was rejected, and one of the reasons for rejection urged in debate was, that then they would have a power to erect a bank, which would render the great cities, where there were prejudices and jealousies on the subject, adverse to the reception of the Constitution [emphasis added]. Jeffersons Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791.
In fact, Alexander Hamiltons national bank was arguably the first constitutional scandal, the feds stealing unique, 10th Amendment-protected state powers to regulate banking.
"He threatened to stack the Supreme Court because they were declaring many of his New Deal Programs unconstitutional."
Again, the states had never amended the Constitution to grant the feds the specific powers to establish FDRs New Deal programs. So they were unconstitutional.
And as I mentioned, FDR didnt lift a finger to encourage Congress to propose amendments to the Constitution to the states to establish his programs within the framework of the Constitution as required by Article V.
"FDR had been selling his Social Security as just an old age pensioner program that was voluntary."
Regardless that FDRs Congress used the General Welfare Clause (GWC; 1.8.1) as its excuse to establish Social Security, President James Madison had noted that the GWC was not a delegation of power but an introductory clause for the clauses that followed.
"To refer the power in question to the clause "to provide for common defense and general welfare" would be contrary to the established and consistent rules of interpretation, as rendering the special and careful enumeration of powers which follow the clause nugatory and improper. James Madison, Veto of federal public works bill, 1817
"Also FDR had social healthcare in the works to be launched but it was shelved because it became clear that FDR was pushing his luck. The democrats waited 75 years to get their social healthcare forced on Americans."
Post FDR era activist justices and Democrats have wrongly ignored that state sovereignty-respecting justices had previously clarified that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for intrastate healthcare purposes. This is evidenced by the following excerpts.
State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress. [emphases added] Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States. Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description [emphasis added], as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a state and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass. Justice Barbour, New York v. Miln., 1837.
4. The issuing of a policy of insurance is not a transaction of commerce [emphasis added] within the meaning of the latter of the two clauses, even though the parties be domiciled in different States, but is a simple contract of indemnity against loss. Paul v. Virginia, 1869. (The corrupt feds have no Commerce Clause (1.8.3) power to regulate insurance.)
Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously [emphases added] beyond the power of Congress. Linder v. United States, 1925.
In fact, note that regardless that federal Democrats, RINOs, corrupt justices and indoctrinated attorneys will argue that if the Constitution doesnt say that the feds cant do something then they can do it, the Supreme Court has addressed that foolish idea too. Politically correct interpretations of the Constitution's Supremacy Clause (5.2) aside, the Court has clarified in broad terms that powers not delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate intrastate healthcare in this case, are prohibited to the feds.
From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]. United States v. Butler, 1936.
The bottom line is that the 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and activist justices along with it.
My allegiance to this country is gone, and I used to be so highly patriotic. Its a very sad day. Let the chinese or russians have it, my allegiance is to God, I am done with trying to change this liberal godless cancer of a country.
I'll stick with Cruz too, but specifically because he understands that once "normal" channels fail, a Civil War is a viable solution - he as much said so with some of his 2nd Amendment statements.
Go CRUZ!
Ive heard differently that he supports COS. Maybe his official endorsement hasnt been made yet but in my thinking hes not at all opposed to COS.
This was a separate paragraph near the end. What else does he need to say? Or maybe you should be a bit more suspicious of what you hear.
“And if Congress will not act, passing the constitutional amendments needed to correct this lawlessness, then the movement from the people for an Article V Convention of the States to propose the amendments directly will grow stronger and stronger.”
There is our downfall.
Look at the GOP primary just here on FR. People calling each other's candidates RINOs, traitors, etc.
Do you think there will be any consensus around who will lead an Article V and what will be the focus?
We are our own worst enemies.
Amen.
if Cruz doesn’t make it to POTUS....he might just make a bang up POTCSA.
Looks like we need a NEW battle flag.
if there is no law, then, there is no law
if those that govern are not restrained by the law, then those that are governed are not restrained by the law
I think Cruz is onto the right idea.
One thing I’m worried about though is that the Judicial Elections might backfire. I certainly would not want to see Antonin Scalia removed from the SCOTUS! So to remedy this in his proposal, I suggest Cruz put this Election of Judges on a day where the right people would come out and vote....like Tax Day. This would maximize the number of good guys voting.
As always, a thoughtful and articulate response that cuts through the nonsense...
Our founders spent YEARS petitioning the king before arms were taken up and shooting started. If those opposed to an article V convention for the purpose of proposing amendments spent as much time assisting as they do telling us it’s a “con-con” and won’t work, the momentum would be potentially overwhelming...
As others have said, trying EVERY PEACEFUL means of a resolution gives us the moral authority to proceed down other paths...
http://www.conventionofstates.com/
Ted Cruz would make a superb SCOTUS justice himself. That's the job that's most suited to his talents, intellect, and background, more so than POTUS or Senator.
EXCELLENT, Cruz is the only way to go
Here... Here...
While we participate in the circular firing squad, the progressives march along like the jack-booted thugs they are...
Two judges should have recused themselves, one judge who is out of it,Ginsburg actually married to homosexuals a few weeks ago.
They need to be impeached and removed.
The Constitution states if we believe we have a tyrannical Govt ten it needs to be replaced, so why the hell s this not happening?
If Ted Cruz knows he would never get 67 votes to impeach a justice then he must also know he'll never get 67 votes to pass this amendment.
Gov. Abbott of Texas will. I think we have some Republican Govs. who would stand with Texas. I believe Bobby Jindahl would. I would hope our Gov.in Tenn., Haslam, and Asa Hutcheson of Arkansas would stand up. Possibly the Govs. of states like Utah, Montana,Wyoming, Idaho, and Oklahoma.
We need to start contacting our state governments and telling them we want them to fight this and that we are with them.
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