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To: george76

Well, are these true Jews with genetic roots back to the 12 Tribes?

Or are they Khazar Jews who are descended from a Caucasian ethnicity that adopted Judaism for political and economic power (so they wouldn’t have to fight the Muslims on one side of their empire and the Christians on the other side)?

I think a lot of Jewish Americans who are not practicing Jews and who are hardcore secularists (that is, JINOs) and who use their “Jewish heritage/culture” to push a socialist/communist agenda have more in common with the character of the Khazars than they do the Jews I study in the Old Testament.


2 posted on 06/25/2015 6:06:38 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Carter...Reagan...Bush...Clinton....Bush....Carter....BUSH? / CLINTON? STOP THE INSANITY!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
are these true Jews with genetic roots back to the 12 Tribes?

Titus destroyed the genealogical records when he destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD. Nobody can verify that they go back to Abraham.

14 posted on 06/25/2015 6:41:52 AM PDT by LouAvul (Liberalism: more than just a mental illness)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

So, do all Jews from North Africa, Yemen, Iraq and Persia also descend from Khazar converts?


24 posted on 06/25/2015 7:58:05 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (I paid for an argument, but you're just contradicting!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Well, are these true Jews with genetic roots back to the 12 Tribes?

Or are they Khazar Jews who are descended from a Caucasian ethnicity that adopted Judaism for political and economic power (so they wouldn’t have to fight the Muslims on one side of their empire and the Christians on the other side)?

I think a lot of Jewish Americans who are not practicing Jews and who are hardcore secularists (that is, JINOs) and who use their “Jewish heritage/culture” to push a socialist/communist agenda have more in common with the character of the Khazars than they do the Jews I study in the Old Testament.

First of all, the idea that "liberal Jews" are liberal because they aren't really Hebrews but "Khazars" is pseudoscientific nonsense. The whole "Khazar" thing was seized upon by Arthur Koestler (a non-observant Jew) for the purpose of getting Jews declassified as Semites so anti-Semites wouldn't hate them any more.

What happened was that those same people turned around and then started hating them for not being Semites. Koestler's suggestion was taken up by Jew-haters who have run with it ever since.

I have no doubt that to your mind the "real Jews" of the "old testament" were chrstians. Of course, it is historically impossible because chrstianity did not exist at the time. They were Torah observant Jews just as Orthodox Jews are today, except that they lived the original Jewish context of a Theocratic state in the Holy Land rather than as an "oppressed urban left-wing minority."

I actually agree with you that the behavior of most Jews today--even the religious ones--is quite disappointing in comparison to Yehoshu`a Bin Nun (who exterminated whole nations because G-d ordered him to rather than build a "museum of tolerance" or engage in secular zeitgeist terminology). But none of this is due to genes or chromosomes. It is because Jews lost their original Theocratic sovereignty so long ago most now can't even remember it and seem to reflexively define themselves as a "minority group" on all issues whatsoever ("if they come for the gays, we're next!!!"). Though please note on the last example that American conservative chrstians sound like liberals when they criticize moslems for "persecuting gays" and not having "separation of church and state."

The crowning event in this tragic descent, however, was the eighteenth century European "enlightenment" which has been internalized to such an extent that for most Jews, Voltaire might as well have been the messiah.

PS: Voltaire was an anti-Semite, as were most of the "enlightenment" philosophers.

32 posted on 06/25/2015 6:35:06 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Well, are these true Jews with genetic roots back to the 12 Tribes?
Or are they Khazar Jews who are descended from a Caucasian ethnicity that adopted Judaism for political and economic power (so they wouldn’t have to fight the Muslims on one side of their empire and the Christians on the other side)?

Khazars were Oghur Turks with an empire that included Cis-Caucasia but included most of the Pontic and Caspian Steppe. They were not Caucasian. Aside from your not knowing who they were, and where they existed, I am not surprised that you are unaware that all genetic studies have shown no significant Turkic genetic influence on Ashkenazi Jews in general. The only Turkic Jews are the few hundred Karaylar (Tatar Karaites) and all but wiped out Krymchaks (Tatar Rabbinate Jews). It is no surprise then that Karaylar, who come from an area that was once part of Khazaria, claim to be Khazars. In fact, in the 19th Century, they claimed not to be Jews at all. Rather, they claimed to be Turks of the Mosaic faith to avoid Russian anti-Jewish laws, and in the 1940s escapted the clutches the SS. (I could get into the faustian deal they made to survive. Suffice to say, it involved turning over Krymchaks to be killed.) If you actually want to find out about Khazars, go to http://www.khazaria.com/

PS. I am one of those Jews with some Khazar ancestry on my father's side. That doesn't make us leftists.

35 posted on 06/26/2015 7:19:01 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Or are they Khazar Jews who are descended from a Caucasian ethnicity that adopted Judaism for political and economic power (so they wouldn’t have to fight the Muslims on one side of their empire and the Christians on the other side)?

The Khazar rulers were Turkic peoples who ruled what is now southern Russia and the Ukraine for centuries around the birth of Islam. They were turkic, not caucasian. They ruled over Slavic, Germanic, Irani (Alan), Ugric peoples, but there is no evidence that these ruled-over peoples ever converted to Judaism

The elites converted to Judaism -- it is conjecture to say they did it for political or economic reasons -- they could have stayed with shamanism or Tengriism

Also note that European Jews share the same genetic materials as Jews from the middle east, india, etc

38 posted on 06/30/2015 4:38:51 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Many of today’s modern Eastern European Jews for sure bear Khazar physical traits
Israel has done a good bit of scholarship on this all controversial

It’s ironic that a people’s who so eschew the religion given them by God in contrast are dead serious about the business of who is Jewish or not

Which tells me they know it’s a divine birthright and that they are wrong to deny at a minimum their original pre Talmudic instruction handed them specifically by the creator of all we know or ever will


46 posted on 07/02/2015 12:41:13 AM PDT by wardaddy (Its no accident the most conservative region of America is being destroyed now and aided by GOPe)
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