Posted on 06/22/2015 3:30:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Three months ago just 49 percent said so. There’s your daily reminder that as political media and its barnacles, like yours truly, obsess about Jeb’s Iraq answer and whether his Super PAC’s going to raise $100 million after all, the great bulk of the party is only now beginning to tune in and saying, “What, another Bush? Eh. Okay.”
I wonder when the base will finally get a nominee that it actually likes. Over/under is 2032.
Three-quarters of GOP primary voters say they could see themselves supporting Mr. Bush or Mr. Rubio, a significantly larger share than for any other contender…
When presented with six election developments that might raise concerns, only 4% of all poll respondents said their top worry was that “too many people from the same families are running as have run in the past,” a concern that might also apply to Democrat Hillary Clinton. The top concern was that “wealthy individuals and corporations will have too much influence over who wins,” a worry expressed more by Democrats than by Republicans…
A broad set of GOP primary voters say they are considering Messrs. Bush and Rubio for the nomination. The two men rank No. 1 or No. 2 in potential support among socially conservative voters, who account for half of the GOP electorate, and gun-rights backers, who account for two-thirds. They also lead among self-described conservatives and those who identify themselves as moderates or liberals.
Jeb Bush, the conservative choice, huh? (Among self-identified tea partiers, he lags behind Rubio, Scott Walker, and Ted Cruz.) Interestingly, although Rubio’s neck and neck with Jeb when Republicans are asked who they could see themselves supporting, he’s only third in the field when they’re asked who their first choice is. Bush leads with 22 percent, then Scott Walker at 17, then Rubio at 14 — and remember, Walker hasn’t formally announced yet. Part of Jeb’s big bounce in this poll may be due to the positive buzz he got after finally declaring his candidacy; Walker may be the next to bounce as those now-tuning-in Republicans are formally introduced to him. The fact that Rubio’s stuck behind Walker even though he’s universally liked among the party’s different wings makes me wonder if too many GOPers won’t end up seeing him more as an ideal VP than as a potential nominee. He’s Kennedy-esque, but charismatic fortysomething first-term senators don’t play as well now as they did seven years ago. Especially when you’ve got two guys with solid records as executives competing with him.
In case you’re not already depressed that Jeb is north of 20 percent and ahead of the field, this ought to do it. Alternate headline: “American experiment ends.”
Just three-in-10 American voters – 31 percent – say they’re dissatisfied about the possibility that Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush could be the general-election nominees in 2016, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
By comparison, a combined 67 percent of voters are either “very,” “fairly” or “somewhat” satisfied about that prospect – but the tepid “somewhat” is the larger number here…
But there is a party difference here: 56 percent of Democratic primary voters say they’re either “very” or “fairly” satisfied with this, versus just 34 percent of Republican primary voters who say this.
Huh. Not that surprising, I guess — Republicans have already elected two Bushes so they’re more likely to have Bush fatigue than Democrats are to have Clinton fatigue. The Clinton brand isn’t nearly as much of an albatross in the general election as the Bush brand is either. Maybe there’s some residual trauma from 1992 at work as well: The Clintons and Bushes have vied for the presidency once before, after all, and it didn’t work out so well for the right. Or maybe there’s just more of an anti-dynasty impulse on the right at this point than there is on the left. If that’s so then Hillary’s doing the GOP’s anti-Jeb factions a favor by running. The more likely it seems that she’ll be the Democratic nominee, the more that reality may turn some fencesitters against Bush in the GOP primary.
Exit question: How happy are you that polls like this one will play an enormous role in deciding who makes it into the debates this summer? Don’t answer until you’ve read these:
As @jpodhoretz noted, the GOP primary voter sub samples are 250ish, so 5 people = 2%, and could be enough to decide who is/isn't on stage.
— Kristen S Anderson (@KSoltisAnderson) June 22, 2015
WSJ 'Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio Solidify Front-Runner Status' declaration is based on poll of 236 people; MOE 6.38%. http://t.co/81vo4Sbn21
— Byron York (@ByronYork) June 22, 2015
Two percent, or five people, could be the decisive margin for the 10th spot onstage in August — and that’s well within the margin of error for polls like this. Why not just flip a coin?
That’s the key. Take Jeb Dole McCain Romney Bush out in the Primary Season and be done with it. End that discussion, early.
“Jeb has a zero chance of winning the presidency IMO.”
Precisely why the GOP Establishment and the Dems are pushing Jeb Dole McCain Romney Bush as hard as they are.
What you're missing is that your position is held by a minority of Republicans.
Ditto.
But a majority of Conservatives do hold that position. Something smells fishy...
That's because your definition of "Conservative" doesn't include enough votes to elect very many political leaders.
As bad as Bush is, and we are in agreement on that, to compare him to the consummate evil of Satan’s Daughter is foolish.
That’s what some said about Obama and Romney. And you see where we are.
How is it worse? We have seen what Obama is doing. I know what Hillary is capable of doing. Do you? She is an Alinsky radical. She hired PIs to intimidate and threaten women during impeachment. She is evil incarnate and there is nothing, absolutely nothing she will not do to get the office and keep it. I called her Satan’s Daughter at the Freeper Victory event in 2001. I stand by that assessment.
I don’t care what the WSJ tells me, there will be no vote for Jeb Bush in my house, from any of its members. Just that simple.
Laz, my friend, I don’t want to jump on a Bush bandwagon. But you certainly know what Hillary is capable of doing. Anything. Screw the Constitution. She and Bill got 250 mil to give the mysterious pardon to Marc Rich. They have destroyed people’s lies who might get in their way. Bush is bad, but he is not Satan’s Daughter.
Typical of the Left — They keep saying it ... more loudly and with growing frequency ... over and over hoping desperately it will come true and that Mrs. B-J Clinton or some other lying socialist will be elected — because Yeb Boosh sure as hell won’t!
BS. I bet they ran ads for bridges on sale next to this “poll”.
Alison Grimes was the lesser evil in the KY Seate race. She would not be Majority Leader doing Obama’s bidding. She would be a junior Senator doing Obama’s bidding.
That poll has to be soooo skewed! NO one I read about or talk to would vote him for dog catcher! 100% in my house won’t vote for him!
Spit.
5.56mm
The problem is that, since 100% of democrats will vote against him, he has to have more than 75% of republicans who will vote for him to win. And a bunch of independents, too.
But, in fact, with Bush, I don’t see a difference. He’s for illegals, she’s for illegals. He believes in global warming, she does too. He’s a big corporateist, she is too. At least Romney said (even if he lied) that he’d repeal Obamacare. Bush won’t even do that. I’ve switched sides on this one. I’d stay home.
Unfortunately, if past elections are any lesson, I’m betting that once the RNC gets Jeb coronated, millions of people who formerly loathed the guy will start making excuses for him and talking about how it’s everyone’s duty to vote for the lesser evil, as with Bush I, Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney, etc. I even went for that line myself (I did vote for Romney just because anything is an improvement over Obama, in contrast I’m not convinced Jeb is much different from Hillary).
99% will vote their party no matter who is on the ticket. Primary talk is just to bloviate.
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