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To: the OlLine Rebel
the OlLine Rebel: "Dems did a general flip-flop c. 1900/Woodrow Wilson."

Up until the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt (1930s), most blacks voted Republican, and the South was solidly Democrat.
Indeed, the Solid South did not begin to become solid Republican until the 1964 election landslide of Texas Democrat Lyndon Johnson over Arizona Republican Barry Goldwater.

the OlLine Rebel: "Sorry, but the Confeds have alot more in common with modern-day “conservatism” than you’d like to admit.
Also with Revolutionaries."

Pure pro-Confederate propaganda.
In fact, there is an exact correspondence between 1860s slave-owners and todays Progressive-Liberal Democrats.
Both wished first and foremost to live off, and profit from, lawfully extracted work of others.
In 1860 it was the Democrats' black slaves, while today we are all slaves of Big Government redistribution taxation.

Sorry, but only your deliberate misunderstandings of actual history allow you to believe otherwise, FRiend.

the OlLine Rebel: "It’s not all simply about slavery."

No, in 1860 secession was all about slavery.
No other issue -- none -- was powerful enough to drive slave-owners to declare separation from the United States.
If you doubt me on this, simply read the four Declarations of Reasons for Secession.
The perceived threat against slavery represented by Abraham Lincoln's Black Republicans is the only serious reason given.

159 posted on 06/23/2015 7:42:04 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Sorry, gonna have to disagree with you that the Confederacy wasn’t a conservative movement. It was, in fact, so conservative that what it was attempting to conserve, or more accurately bring back to life, was the pre-American aristocratic POV that some were born booted and spurred to ride others who were born saddled and bridled.

IOW, as some of them were honest enough to admit, that all men are NOT created equal.

This was mitigated to some extent by the large number of those who considered themselves members of the master race, and by a general idea that one white man was as good as another. But you can already see the idea developing that some white men were born to rule over others.

The conservatism of the South then and during Jim Crow days was a pre- or anti-American conservatism. To my mind, anyway, since everything specifically American for me flows from “All men are created equal.” Deny that and you aren’t really American, IMO.

YMMV


162 posted on 06/24/2015 10:17:24 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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